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Communists?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bamul, Oct 13, 2012.

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  1. Bamul

    Bamul S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    Since we have a social group for "Communists", I was wondering how many of our members are actual communists and what exact type. :)
     
    #1 Bamul, Oct 13, 2012
  2. TheStalker

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    Lol no just no
     
    #2 TheStalker, Oct 13, 2012
  3. Bamul

    Bamul S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    If you don't want to talk about this, then why post a comment?
     
    #3 Bamul, Oct 13, 2012
  4. TheStalker

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    No I mean im not a communist :) . But ae you???
     
    #4 TheStalker, Oct 13, 2012
  5. Bamul

    Bamul S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    Yes. I am heading more & more in the direction of anarcho-communism.
     
    #5 Bamul, Oct 13, 2012
  6. BORIS13

    BORIS13 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know too much about politics, government, and te different types of parties. But throughout my 15 years of being alive I've lived in Russia, the UK, and currently America. So in my opinion Socialistic Capitalism is the way to go. A mix of Democracy and Socialism.
     
    #6 BORIS13, Oct 13, 2012
  7. Skaara Dreadlocks

    Skaara Dreadlocks Tha Baws

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    I'm not especially interested nor knowledgeable about politics, but from what I've read about the different types of ideology, I'd find Socialistic Capitalism the way to go as well, and Communism as the way to not go. :)
     
    #7 Skaara Dreadlocks, Oct 13, 2012
  8. Bamul

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    Well, in my opinion, whatever happens - the state has to go. Along with capitalism. Besides, there is no true freedom without direct democracy; no representative crap. I'm not in favour of another mess-up like the USSR either. Russia was never communist (well, maybe in some areas for a short time after the revolution, but then it all went to hell). In order to properly develop libertarian communism, the increased level of production from capitalism is needed. So, before communism, there must first be capitalism.

    The problem with the Soviet Union was that Russia was only starting to get into a primitive version of capitalism, but was still feudalism. So they tried to jump straight from feudalism to communism - but it simply does not work that way, thus they ended up with state capitalism. Then, after the old state was abolished, the people put too much belief in a "vanguard" party. Once the new leaders gained power, a new state was created and the oppression of the Russian people by their government resumed. In the end, there was no successful communism there. Quite the opposite actually, both socially and economically. It was just a change of the ruling class. The only left-wing aspects of the USSR were some of their economical functions which were related to socialism (but were still quite different), found even in Stalinism.

    That's not how communism works. Communism has no state, no capitalism, no private property (not to be confused with peronal property - which are people's belongings and they are approved in anarchist communism), the means of production belong to the people and not to the bourgeoisie, etc. The two best examples of stateless communism in the last century are the anarchist societies of Spain (1936-1939) and the Вільна територія of Ukraine (1918-1921).

    Boris, I'm guessing you are referring to the social aspects of socialism and economical elements of capitalism? I'm asking because it would be practically impossible to combine the two theories completely. :p Even so, the economical and social aspects of both are very connected and mostly oppose their equivalents on the other side.
     
    #8 Bamul, Oct 13, 2012
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    In many countries, there is still propaganda circulating around the idea that communism is the same as a dictatorship. That is not true. There are many types of communism out there and most of them strive towards the same goal: freedom, equality, abolition of the state, no private property and so on. However, they are different in terms of how they want to achieve this important goal. Then there are also only a few very opposing movements, such as Stalinism, which have almost nothing in common with real communism but called themselves so to appeal to the people of their territory and the working class, in order to stay in power. The Red Line in Metro is a Stalinist movement. ;)
     
    #9 Bamul, Oct 13, 2012
  10. Wolve_NZ

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    I think Bamul hit it on the head right their


    But im pro Communism, but I know that the chances of it happening are very slim, so some form of Socialism I think is best as its as close as the majority of the population could go.

    But I do know a Stalinist, He's a ex-VDV Cadet GPW Reenactor :p Funny Fellow
     
    #10 Wolve_NZ, Oct 14, 2012
  11. rolfwar

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    You have well explained the thing,Bamul.But i think you are forgetting some details.

    However,to all of you who said that a hybrid between Socialism and Capitalism is the way to go, i just want to remind you that Capitalism is built on the non-stop growth of Demands&Offers, and is therefore not sustainable on a limited-planet like Earth.
    Also,it is based on the concept of Crisis and Growth themselves, which assure to the Big Capitalists an increase of the numbers of the Working Class and a decrease of the numbers of Small Capitalists.

    (and regarding the Red Line in Metro, the fact that it is stalinist actually made me leave the group here on the forums and create the Year 1905 Confederation)
     
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  12. cerberus

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    Either we switch to Jacque Fresco's Venus Project or we continue to act like irresponsible pricks with our outdated political and monetary systems. But with human beings being the absolute asinine cunts they are, the former will never happen.
     
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  13. dahksinol

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    Too true.

    I guess we should put all our work effort in either: trying to rebuild our world, or find/build a new one. Depends on which comes easier. So, it's more of a 'do we change our lifestyles to fit living our world or do we look for a new world that we change to fit our lifestyles?' kinda thing, if you look at it from that perspective and want to expand.

    Then again, you can always try new ways to supply the demand, offer new alternatives. And that is why we need more people who put more effort in innovation than desecration. Less troops, more scientists, the way I look at it now. Hmm... That gives me an idea...

    *Posts pictures of uncle sam, juan dela cruz, and other famous icons wearing labcoats and safety goggles while pointing at the viewer and saying: WE WANT YOU!*
     
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  14. rolfwar

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    Well,since the first inhabitable planet is million light years away from us...
     
    #14 rolfwar, Oct 15, 2012
  15. Lagtagbag

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    Unless we somehow manage to terraform mars
     
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  16. cerberus

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    We will. Bur first things first. We need to fire all religious and political leaders into the sun.
     
    #16 cerberus, Oct 15, 2012
  17. rolfwar

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    Mars is too tiny to hold an atmosphere,otherwise it would still have its own, which has dispersed into the space.
     
    #17 rolfwar, Oct 15, 2012
  18. Lagtagbag

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    yes, but as I understand it should be possible to strengthen the atmosphere by taking gases (can't remember which) and pump them in Mars air.
     
    #18 Lagtagbag, Oct 15, 2012
  19. rolfwar

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    I believe (correct me if i'm wrong) that Mars' gravity is too weak to hold an atmosphere,so pumping gases around Mars wouldn't be the solution...
     
    #19 rolfwar, Oct 16, 2012
  20. TheStalker

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    As a religious leader (In Training) myself I feel offend.
     
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