[Debate Thread] Can a child be born evil?

are you referencing the part of the novel where the cannibals say that they do not eat children because children are born innocent and cannot be evil?

anyway i believe that they can not be born evil because they are still growing and are impressionable, who and how they turn out to be depends on who they are around to influence them.

 

No-one is forced to be evil, just as no one is forced to be good. While they may be steered by others into these courses, it will never be an unavoidable state.

 

Well im an atheist and dont really believe in being born as evil or a monster. I personally believe that a child is born a human. Like all of us. However with different looks, personalities, and when they get older, opinions about different things. So basically a child is born good, but then its up to the way he is raised to become either evil or good.
So if his parents are lets say, terrorists, or criminals. Then he/she will most likely end up growing up believing what their parents taught them and follow their examples. So basically become another criminal or terrorost or ect.

Then there is a question of why or how a child is born good in the first place. Well humans originally were born humans. Long time ago we hunted animals in order to survive. We built communities in order to socialize. And therefore it is in our nature to be born good. However over the centuries people became to find ways to be 'evil'. We started murders, wars, and crime for the most ridiculous things such as religion, politics, and etc. This due to us having different beliefs and opinions.

So basically we were, and always will be, born good. But over time our opinions, decisions, and thoughts will determine what we really are going to be. Good. Evil. Bad. Will there be War. Crime. Disrespect. Hatred. All of this is ditermend by how we are raised. And how will will view the world around us as we change.

 

I'm sorry, but could you please name one war which was begun with Religion, and not any defence or land to be fought over?

 

Well im no historian but religion has a big influence on many wars. Honestly i dont know a lot ither then the war in the middle east. The muslim faith had a big part of the war. Ww2 was more of a ideology by hitler but religion was a major part of it too. Basicaly im stating examples. I might be wrong.

 

Alot of Muslims have started Conflicts in the past, such as Genocides in Slavic Countrys and with the whole Bosnian thing (Malcom Vladitch was trialed and stuff, not sure if it was Bosnia) but that started due to Muslims murdering villages and displaying gutted corpses.

Also the Great Crusades, not called a war, but still a large conflict was caused and funded via Religious based Nations and bla bla, most things started in Europe before the turn of the century was quiet based on Religion, or at least part of it.

but in WW2, Jews were Genocide'd on both sides because of being Jew (And the fact that Jews, by Religion and Nature are pretty horrible creatures in my eyes). Now, If they weren't Jews, then they wouldn't of gotten killed, Well, they would of but not because they were Jews

And Children can be born Evil in my eyes, but if I said why no one would ever talk to me again

but 'Von, wars are caused by Religions apart from yours from what I know, Catholic wasnt it? (Read it somewhere, think it was you)

 

be careful with this word!

The fact is that if you count all religion-wars...they are not so many,Crusades,Former Jugoslavia wars,Chechenya(is it spelled right?) and so on.
But if you look carefully,religions have always had a main role in wars.They help dehumanizing the enemy."Who are we fighting against?Other men,who have just been taken by their home and given a rifle?Are they like us?"
"No.They are the Messangers of Evil.We have God on our side.They are atheist.They are perverted.They hate our religion.They hate God" Don't this word sound familiar?
Let's talk about WW1...when they seldomly met soldiers of the enemy side,germans/english soldiers were surprised,because they found out that what they had been told was not true!

 

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I will just come up with an opinion I've had on older threads. So I think we pretty much start with nothing and the way we get to "choose" things into our life makes us use the steer and then decide on wich roads we will go, or just totally lose the car. I've had some family problems a few years ago and a bit of violence has grown to me, that was noticed in the school as I was becoming more aggresive and a few "fights" were very rare in my life. Then decided to start "thinking" and also that I wanted to change. I became what I am now, and you know what, even now I know that, that aggressiveness is still in me :S Idk some of you might say "this is stupid" or "taken too much" but it is the truth :S

 

The way I see it, the only morale a human is born with is this: "I have to survive long enough to pass on my genetics for the survival of my species". The ethic we are born with is that we don't eat each other. Unless necesarry, read above. But then there is this little thing called society, that adds another dimension, with that you should not steal, lie or kill etc.

So a child is no more evil than any other animal. Actually, humans hardly differ from other mammals from birth. That process starts later on.

 

and by the way, crusades ? west church giving a couple of coins to people to fight so they can free the holy lands? LOL I like how they turned into Constantinople (east church), oh and guess what? they were christians aswell, "crusade"= ( in greek) σταυροφορία, the verb for it means "ενεργώ για ευγενή σκοπό"=crusade ( try it on google translate".
ενεργώ για ευγενή σκοπό= hard to translate because of my bad english, but it means "I act for good"
So in the fourth crusade they attacked Constantinople, they attacked "christians" when their plans was too free the holy lands it's just ridicilous and very obvious that the west church was having some very bad plans. Crusades were everything except "good" I've read alot of about them and the name does not matches with anything about what they did.
and Constantinople wasn't the only innocent city.

 

I agree with you. What you described is more or less the "biological" meaning of life.

We aren't born evil, we are made "evil" by the way we are influenced and treated by other people and society at large. Children don't "know" Right or Wrong but are taught thorugh interaction with people.

 

No it can't. I'd like you to prove if a child is born evil. Society, education, and parenting will determine whether someone turns out to be good or bad.

 

Well, if a Child is born with Diabetes, missing a leg, and other horrible birth defects, and that child is allowed to live and just takes money from the Government and charities without ever putting anything back I think that's pretty Evil.
Not trying to be Racist here, but its like the Islanders down here, alot of them just steal and get their Benefit payout, now sure it might be down to the up bringing of the child but I still think its just how their born.

Oh, and the Irish Civil war is another Religion based Conflict, The Irish were Catholic and the Brits were Protestant, and the Protestants didn't like the Irish because of their religion and such as a basis for their almost Genocide killing of the Irish Population

 

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hey dahk,loks like somebody doesn't know what a debate is...

 

Islanders are the Population from the Pacific Islands that resides in NZ, they mainly consist of Land Whales and Dox's

But if someone is preventing the creation of a more progressive future then they are 'Evil' In my eyes, this includes University Students who Never get a job and just live on Student loans. Foreigners that never get a job and office Workers who just shuffle papers and make money