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GTX 970 and GTX 980

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bamul, Sep 20, 2014.

  1. Bamul

    Bamul S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    So the new cards from Nvidia have been launched yesterday. Both are only slight improvements in performance from previous GTX 770/780 cards - seemingly much smaller improvements than anticipated by most. Nevertheless, as expected, GTX 980 is now the fastest single-GPU on the planet (dethroning the GTX 780 Ti). What wasn't expected is the sudden jump in efficiency from the GTX 700 series, as both of the new GTX 900 cards have a significantly lower power requirement than their predecessors. This can generally be considered a strength of these new video cards. On the other, it's very silly of Nvidia to show us how absolutely fucking terrible their previous GPUs were in terms of efficiency.

    Probably for the sole reason of GTX 980 being the fastest single GPU, there is an astronomical price difference between it and the GTX 970 - at about $200 (which translates to an even larger gap in other regions which aren't blessed with "decent" PC tech prices like the US); even though the differences in performance aren't anywhere near large enough to justify such a price contrast. This makes GTX 970 a surprisingly affordable high-end graphics card, whilst the GTX 980 may be considered an overpriced piece of crap. But, of course, since most of us are human beings with money to spend on actual necessities and a not so high income - the lexical combination of "affordable" and "high-end" is an oxymoron in terms of PC hardware, in effect making both of these cards overpriced pieces of shit.

    Quite accurate, no?
     
  2. After a complete failure of "next gen" in terms of hardware, a GTX 780 is more than you need for most gaming needs.
     
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    Here is a comparison of other high-end cards with the 970/980s (if you go to page two, you will find some benchmarks on how the 970/980s did running metro LL): PC Gamer

    I'd imagine that the 980 is either as good or better than the GTX Titan Black. Too bad there isn't a good comparison between the two out there, yet. It's still way cheaper than the Titan, tough: GTX980 $638.98; GTX Titan Black $1,099.99.
     
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    As far as I saw the specs theese cards barely better than my Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 OC 4GB 256bit. To be honest I counted way bigger difference between the new and the oldel series.
     
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    Lower power consumption and better frame rates makes these a decent purchase, more so the 970 in SLI mode as Guru3D reported. I'm waiting for the rumoured 6GB cards before buying.
     
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    The Nvidia card I bought was cheap and still very good, works perfectly with Watch Dogs.
    Still mad at Nvidia for teaming up with Ubisoft though :rant:
     
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    Yeah, jokes aside, I do think the GTX 970 is a lovely piece of hardware and its price - for such a high-end graphics card - is very competitive. The smartest move made by Nvidia in a long time. The GTX 980 on the other hand... no, just no.
     
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    The 980 seems to be about equal to the 780 TI, with both cards trading blows in various benchmarks. Looks like most of the improvements are on the power/thermal efficiency side of things, which I doubt we'll see manifest as performance improvements until another generation hits. Looks like the next launch will be a big one too, with them probably rushing past the 800 series nomenclature so they can make a big deal about starting over with the thousands, or whatever they go with this time for a new generation of cards.
     
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    Long post in spoiler tag ahead; it is not 100% on-topic, but I didn't see the point in creating a new thread just for this and it's somewhat related.

    I've actually been saving up for quite some time in order to afford a significant upgrade from my current set-up. I managed to save up enough for a Zotac 970, but my pre-built PC had a case that was too small for it and everything was very cramped in there. So, since the GTX 770s are being discontinued and have dropped in price considerably (in some shops they continue to drop), I grabbed an MSI GTX 770 TwinFrozr (2 GB) OC edition and a new case for my rig (a Zalman Z11) instead. It is a shame that the GTX 970 went out of my reach at a moment when I've managed to save up so much money (it seemed all to convenient that it was released not long before I was planning to upgrade), but so far I'm very happy with the GTX 770.

    Previously I was using a Radeon 7770 HD, so the GTX 770 is quite a step up for me and it's the most powerful GPU I've ever owned. I'm not actually using its potential to the fullest at this moment since I'm not even on a 1080p display. My monitor is fairly old, it's 1440x900 and non-HDMI. I'm used to it, but I do plan to upgrade late next year if my finances allow it. On this resolution though, I can run Metro: Last Light maxed at a consistent 60 fps with v-sync, but without SSAA. If I turn SSAA up to 2X, I can mostly keep it at a sweet 50 fps. At 3X, I can do 40-45 with drops to the high-30s every now and then. When it's maxed at 4X, I'm looking at 30-something at the most and as low as 15 fps during some special effects (I did all tests on a surface level as it's much more demanding than underground levels).

    The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings runs at a smooth 60 fps when maxed without ubersampling (with ubersampling on it stays between 50-60 fps, with occasional drops into high to mid-40s); Battlefield 3 runs maxed at an almost constant 75 fps in multiplayer with about a second long drop to 60 fps right after I spawn and then it's always back to normal; Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad can be maxed with continuous 60 fps; Far Cry 3 maxed with 45-60 fps (though the test I did was fairly short); Crysis – the first one – seems to jump about between 30 fps and 60 fps on ultra, but the frame rate never goes any higher or lower than these numbers; Crysis 2 runs maxed at a fairly consistent 60 fps, though there are occasional drops and they happen more frequently during the fancier scripted sequences (however it never dropped below 30 fps).

    So I’m very satisfied with how it performs, even though this is only 1440x900. If I’m lucky, I’ll be able to run The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt maxed with decent fps when it comes out. However, since that probably won’t be the case, I’m prepared to drop the crazy AA options It will probably come with in favour of keeping everything else at ultra and hopefully above 30 fps at all times (perhaps many more fps if CDPR manage to optimize it well enough in time for release). We’ll see. The GTX 770 and other video cards around this level are great for pretty much any game out there even at 1080p, though the most demanding games always have a crazy option or two that makes little visible difference when not compared side-to-side and eats up a lot of resources (e.g. SSAA) just so that people who paid twice as much for a GTX 980, Titan or 780 Ti yet still play 1080p can feel as though they haven’t wasted their money. And I guess it makes sense.
     
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    That blows, but it sounds like you still managed to get a card that performs quite well :). Good thing is, that with PCs, it will be a long time before your card and CPU will become completely outdated and will not be able to run the latest games (not like I needed to tell you that :p). Then being able to max out Metro:Last Light and at run it at 60 FPS is quite a serious deal. I've noticed that most games that perform at least at 35 FPS, the picture of it does not seem to be jittery and actually runs considerably smooth (then again, that might be because I have become use to it :p). Anything below 35 FPS, and you really begin to notice a lot of stuttering. Anything above 50 and the game becomes eye candy.
     
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    Back when I had my first PC, I used to have to cope with terrible frame rates on some games. However, ever since I started playing on mid-range hardware (now high-end considering the GTX 770), 30 FPS has been the bare minimum for me to play a game and find it enjoyable. Though 35 FPS is probably a better number to use, because this reduces the probability of drops below 30. Anything above 50 FPS is a sweet spot indeed. However, if game manages to maintain a fairly stable frame rate of 50 FPS or higher and drops down to the 30s every time certain special effects occur, then it can also get annoying since it becomes a noticeable difference.
     
  12. Check your privilege Mr Disposable Income :D

    I used to have 5 to 10 fps and I liked it:

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    This is the actual screen resolution.
     
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    ^I don't remember having to fight the Combine in Half-Life 1. Just messing with you. :p

    Now that you have a high-end video card, how are your old computer games handling? At least with me, I have the problem where, if I want to play an old game like Half-life 1, I would get decent frame rate because it's not a high demanding GPU program like it was when the game first came out, so my computer's graphics card overpowers it and does not detect it (usually) and makes the CPU run the game instead. Thankfully there are programs or tweaks that you can do to stress the graphics card a bit, but that doesn't help all of the time.

    Edit: not that my computer runs old games slowly, it's just sometimes some tweaking is needed at hand.
     
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    Gotta make the most of it while it lasts. :D

    I had the same experience, above 20 fps used to mean good frame rate for me. :p Though that was already after migrating to the West. Back when we used to live in Poland we were a pretty damn poor family, even for Polish standards. I still remember it fondly because it's my childhood, but I didn't really have video games or anything to play them on at "home" before moving to England. This will make me sound like a helluva noob, but my first gaming platform was the PS2... in 2007. Before then, I'd only play games from the late 80s/early 90s at school or at a friend's house. There was one upside though: I didn't have to worry about FPS at all. :lol:

    I haven't tried many old games after upgrading my GPU thus far, but I'll let you know once I do. Though I think I'll probably have more problems with the incompatibility of my OS (Windows 8) than I will with older games not recognising new hardware. Most likely I'll have to look up some tweaks online to even get them running. It's what I had to do with my Steam copy of Dark Forces to get it running and fix the terrible frame rate (no mods or anything, it's just changing things in the game's files) - and this was prior to upgrading.
     
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    Sadly, yes. It sucks how it has becoming more difficult to run older games from the 90s/early2000s on newer OS. Modders are the only ones who we can depend on to manipulate the configuration files of older games and share with us the knowledge so that we may be able to play them. There is always Steam and GOG to get older games from, but then you would -usually- have to pay for the Steam/Gog version if you don't want to go through the trouble of tweaking the files on your own if you happen to have the original retail version. Even then, you would eventually have to play around with the files to get things running smoothly (like you had to do with Dark Forces) with the Steam/GOG version once the game is not supported by the Devs and stops receiving any automatic updates. Too bad Windows doesn't have updates like Steam. That way, say your first OS was Windows 95, you would remain with all the original files of Win95 and progressively upgrade to Win2000, then XP, Win7, Win8; all while being able to run/play all games released from the 90s until now without having to run a source-port or configure game files because you would already have all of the OS. Then again, we have got to think about the very hungry billionaires of the companies....How on earth will they ever make any money :noidea:.
     
  16. TotalAaron

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    I was going to buy a new PC but ended up getting a new PS3 (Dat persona though) its mainly to do with the fact i have a load of games

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    @Bamul
    Nice pick, man. SSAA is pretty much a waste in Last Light, but it's still fun to mess around with those settings.
    @Komo Geesh, and somebody's running one of those custom "absolute minimum settings" configs. And I thought I was a trooper for running through numerous games on an HD4k. :p
     
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    it ain't entirely true, even with a gtx 960, 970, 980, or radeon r20 there are with huge fps drops when using msaa x 8 and the game is unplayable, even with 16 gb ram and I7 processor
     
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    Anti Aliasing goes all 50-shades-of-grey on framerates no matter what, and MSAAx8 is pretty overkill. It would almost be more efficient to slightly supersample things at that point.