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developer level? Me want game now

 

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The game turned out to be good. That's all that matters.

 

I'm a paying gamer and I don't care.

Why not send it right now? Imagine the bashing and outcry op2:

 

I'm a paying geek, and I don't care.

 

@majnu: I might have been excessively rude in my previous post and I'd like to apologize.

A lot of people go to extreme lengths to find anything incriminating and bash companies as opposed to simply voting with their wallets.

I don't think that 4A games deserves that at this point.

 

wasnt Metro in trouble of being released due of THQ demise?
If yes, I wouldnt surprise me if the main distributor decided to pull an "EA" with stripped content ( a la MAss Effect , with the ASHES dlc in the disk)

 

Eh, there's value to both sides.

A few things:

1. Deep Silver played very little of a role in LL's development. Anything cut from the game is very much most likely not part of some money-making plan on DS's part, if even related to them at all.

2. Content is cut from games all the time. It usually lacks polish and needs more time, most DLC has work started on it as the game is being finalized, as introducing it last-second would likely result in a lot of bugs, and tweaking a single character in a line of code can cause a thousand bugs in the final release. It only makes sense to see some half-finished content on games, it makes DLC easier to load and implement.

3. Real content is taken from games all the time to monetize later. Is it bad that we're getting slightly less value for a game than we would if we had it? Yes, it's very understandable to not like that we're getting additional content. But if the game isn't incorrectly advertised and we know exactly what we're getting when we drop down 60 dollars, there's no "evil" there. (Granted, removing essential but not-advertised story content kinda borders on this line. Everyone has their own perceptions on the grey areas; I personally think it's a pretty bad practice if they remove something like part of the ending, but it varies.)

There isn't a single corporate entity out there that cares more about your feelings than how much you're paying them, it's just that EA is infamous for being ground-breakingly stupid on how they make that more than apparent.

4. And to add to the previous point, if a home-brew developer made three games in his basement and then released all three to the public at separate times, does he owe anything to people who buy the first games beyond what they clearly paid for? Is he reprehensible for not including all new content he's produced on the first disk, even if he cut it during development to use in a later title when it was more than finished and capable of properly shipping in the game? It certainly lowers the value of the game by a certain degree, but according to Cliff Blezinski, former designer at and head of Epic, this shit happens all the time. Most developers just throw in junk content on the DLC to convince players that such practices don't happen.

5. On-disk content that is hidden from players is another grey area. On one hand I can see how such content might be vital to a company's plan to be profitable. On the other, in my mind, when you buy a disk or a copy of the program, you own that copy. Making copies for other people is certainly something that has got to get stomped down on, but I can't really imagine a way to classify the modification of content that you own, within your own property for your own use and no profit, as illegal.

If you're a professional editor and you manage to edit some awesome explosion into a movie you own a copy of, then I see no legal issue with that. Turning around and distributing that movie without permission would be understandably bad and illegal. If you're a wannabe sound engineer and manage to remix a song, then I see no issue with that. If you distribute it without permission, that's a big no-no. If somebody takes a game copy and modifies it for their personal use, then I see no issue with that. If they distribute that copy without permission, that's a paddling.


But if someone shows somebody how to edit that explosion into the movie, I see no issue. If somebody shows you how to remix the song, I see no issue. Likewise, if somebody shows you how to modify games (in a way that doesn't give you an online advantage for obvious reasons), then I see no issue. Anything costing honest developers sales is obviously a bad thing, but if somebody hides a hundred dollar bill (or 3000 ruble, 800 Hryvni, or 70 Euros, or whatever you fine folks use for currency) in your house and sells you the location, I see no issue in simply walking to where they left the bill and taking it for yourself.

But I digress; this is a grey area, and the moral stance taken will differ from person to person. Just fuel for the fires of discussion.

 

I think the issue is when certain VERY IMPORTANT PART of the plot is cut on purpose. hence why so many people were angry at the FROM ASHES DLC of ME3.

DLC done right is ok.. they're like mini expansion.
but a lot are abusing it to give useless content or stuff that would have been in the game from start.

 

Too true. A good example of that is Mass Effect 3. They had day 1 DLC. Cmon

 

ahem, read my entire post.. I actually mentioned that day 1 dlc.. which is FROM ASHES (the protean one)

also, they lied claiming the DLC was not in the disk, then a few hackers proved them wrong...

 

Well OP, the first clause is patently false, but I suppose the second clause could be logically predicated on the first. However, the third clause contains an apparent non-sequitur and the fourth clause poses a semi-rhetorical question that doesn't follow from any of the preceding clauses and also is encouragingly nonsensical.

Fantastic post; would read again.

 

I think you all are just a tiny bit paranoid and naive. Sure, some of the main characters were lacking in backstory, but so was every damn character in the game. I doubt this is some evil masterminded attempt to trick us into paying more for less.

Also, tamalero, if I remember correctly, only Javik was on the disc, the actual mission content wasn't there. I also don't remember seeing any dialogue with his character hacked in, or even any voice overs, all we saw was him in combat.

 

I only skimmed your post, my bad ^_^ And for the second part, that sounds very EA like of them.

 

Well, to be completely fair; some of it probably is cut content. But you also have to keep in mind that this was a dev team that was working with a relatively small budget and crappy working conditions. I'm just glad that Deep Silver is continuing to support 4A so they can come back to any ideas they wanted to do originally for the game.

 

Witch-hunt. Nothing else.

You do not like Metro Last Light, fine, just do not buy any of DLCs coming. That is the way you express your discontent.

I enjoyed MLL very much. It was worth every penny I paid for it (28 EUR). Therefore, I have bought the season pass right away on Steam even If I know I could get better price from my local game seller. I did it because I was happy with the game and would not mind supporting the developer while enjoying new stuff.

I'm more interested in the length of each DLC pack rather than if it is cut from the original game. If the amount of content is appropriate for 5 EUR/pack DLC, I'm one happy gamer.