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Ranger Mode Discussions

Discussion in 'Metro: Last Light General Discussion' started by Potarto, May 14, 2013.

  1. Potarto

    Potarto Well-Known Member

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    Part of the reason that I liked Metro 2033 was the the HUD removal in Hardcore mode didn't give you a head injury that rendered you unable to check your pouches for how much ammo you had left.

    In Last Light, this..........is odd. There's definitely some kind of bug. When I hold down Y (xbox player here, played 2033 on PC though) to check my weapon inventory, it only tells me how many throwables and MGR's I have. No matter what I do, no matter what button I press, I can't for the life of me open my fucking pouches and tell if I have a full magazine to use with this pistol I found. I can't tell whether my shotgun is just going to spontaneously stop having rounds fed into it. I can't even tell how much ammo I am picking up, because it gives me no notification as to whether I picked up 5 shotgun shells or 1.

    Yet there was a point, right before a certain someone gets captured (won't spoil who) where, in that room, I was able to hold Y and in all of its magnificence, view the amount of ammo I had for everything. I just figured it was taken away as a cinematic handicap or something at the beginning, but next room I walked into, I suddenly lost the ability to check my ammo.

    This is definitely bugged in some way, as either we're supposed to be able to check ammo (I have no clue why we wouldn't) and only MGR's and throwables, or it's bugged to let us check it during that one sequence.

    I'm definitely enjoying the game, but this is really starting to bug me. I'm about 3 hours into the game and really don't want to start over, but this is annoying enough that it's tempting me to switch over to original Hard until they fix this damn thing.

    Edit: Alright, seems like you can check it at any hub. Doesn't really make much sense, seems even more like a bug now.
     
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  2. Sharkey

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    Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a bug as well as that's some important information to know. =P
     
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    Couple of questions about playing Hardcore Ranger.

    Hello everyone,

    I'm playing hardcore ranger and loving every moment of it, already having stacked up a good body count.

    So I have a couple of questions;

    1a) Can you turn off lazers when they're mounted to the gun?

    1b) Regardless, can enemies see the lazers or is it player only?

    2) I was being all sneaky and thinking I would try the throwing knife approach when it was a grenade, it was quite comical but not -quiet-. Is there any way to tell which throwing weapon you have equipped during ranger hardcore mode?

    3) Lastly I know seeing your ammo count is for nubs but is there really no way to tell what your ammo count is on Hardcore Ranger? Thanks to any and all responses and feedback! Keep up the fight rangers! :peep:
     
  4. fatman111

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    ranger mode

    sorry about my last thread it was kinda rude well really rude but lets discuss it better. Why is it worth 5 dollars the removed hud? there is not really much hud to begin with and less bullets i understand that part to make it more survival like but the ai is pretty stupid to be honest they don't really do much and u can run through the game with throwing knives for the most part so can someone tell me why its worth 5 dollars
     
  5. TotalAaron

    TotalAaron The Oracle of Awesome

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    There are some facts which "Angry Joe" and some people here need to get straight:

    1. The history with Ranger HC is that it wasn't in the base game of 2033. It was offered afterwards as free DLC for the PC and because of certification practises on the XBOX it cost 240MSP.

    2. When Koch Media acquired the rights to buy Metro LL from THQ the game was completed. Now Deep Silver (Publishers) for Metro knew about Ranger HC but as they wanted to ship the game with as little delay as possible.

    They inevitably inherited THQ's bad marketing pre-order incentive. They couldn't reverse it as there were those who already pre-ordered the game on Steam or from the THQ store. By including it in the game for everyone else it would probably have caused legal problems. They also had administration, Logistical stuff etc to organise during the transition.

    3. Instead Deep Silver offered an additional Digital Comic, 10% off Steam purchases for those who already had 2033 and included Metro 2033 digital book for USA only.

    The fault is not Deep Silvers and if they wanted to they could delay the game by 8-10 months and done things their way but patience is never a virtue with gamers.

    4. The problem is that Huw Beynon shot himself in the foot with his comments published by PC Gamer. Why he said it and contradicted what we already knew, only he can explain, maybe it was pressure from above???

    5. Here's another interesting fact too:

    M2033 steam achievements:

    Survivor
    Complete the game in Ranger Mode Easy.

    1.5% of all players

    Last Man Standing
    Complete the game in Ranger Mode Hardcore.

    1.4% of all players

    So it's obvious that people on Steam in their masses have completed Ranger HC? (Not)
    Nevermind the games which haven't even been played or go uncompleted. But that's not the point, it's the principal we're talking about here about stripping a mode/difficulty setting from a game.

    If you like the look of the game and the reviews are good then I say buy it. You never know Deep Silver may offer those who pre-ordered free DLC for missions 4A have been working on after the game went Gold as a form of recompense.

    However, if you think that Deep Silver should have done something more in the short time they had when the transition from THQ was made then wait for a Steam sale.
     
  6. fatman111

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    im saying what is the difference between ranger mode and normal mode because seemingly there is not much going on that is different
     
  7. TotalAaron

    TotalAaron The Oracle of Awesome

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    The main differences are=

    Way less ammo and supply items (filters, medkits etc)
    No Head's up display
    you do more damage but so do your enemy's
    and finnaly MGR's are less common
     
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    All resources are more scarce, limited to no HUD, and both yours and the enemy's damage is drastically increased. Just like in 2033, an MGR from any gun will kill in one body shot, but you'll likewise die almost instantly.
     
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    but would it be worth 5 dollars i mean its 5 dollars for that i read that post and they said they had worked hard on ranger mode. i don't see how they did tho
     
  10. Potarto

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    1. Just like in 2033, no you cannot. They are invisible to enemies, however.
    2. Well, I mean, just hit the button to equip it.
    3. This is a known issue that 4A hasn't acknowledged yet. You have to be in a Station that does trading to see your ammo count, otherwise it's just your MGR's and throwables. Very annoying, and part of the reason I likely won't be doing Ranger next playthrough.
     
  11. Potarto

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    They really didn't. The 74u is only accessible and you only get the 100 bonus MGR in Ranger Mode, but otherwise it's pretty quickly slapped together. I honestly don't see how they could have missed the fact that you need to be able to tell if you have 54 or 2 shotgun shells in your pocket. Maybe if you've played it through and really like it, AND they fix it so the ammo thing fucking works properly, then maybe it might be worth it to the most diehard of fans. Otherwise just pass on it.
     
  12. TotalAaron

    TotalAaron The Oracle of Awesome

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    Please go and do it yourself and we will see why it costs $5
     
  13. Potarto

    Potarto Well-Known Member

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    You also can only carry 2 weapons. Kind of a bummer IMO.
     
  14. Bishi

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    Seems like a huge bug to me, since you can't change secondary weapons either unless I'm missing something (you actually can hold the inv button and move mouse around to change weapon but you can only tell what you've changed to by listening to the noise!)

    Does normal ranger mode (non-hardcore) have this problem? I'm considering re-starting in that mode
     
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    I'm doing the lower of the Ranger difficulties and I'm having the problem. It might be an issue with the two weapons thing.
     
  16. Bishi

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    ive restarted on ranger normal and it seems fine because you can check your inventory
     
  17. Sharkey

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    I started on Ranger Normal and couldn't see my ammo though.

    Also on a whim I decided to restart the game on Normal Hardcore, and wow I'm enjoying the game A LOT more now as stuff that bothered me in Ranger is not an issue, particularly how I was able to recover my starting weapons in Ranger versus starting from scratch in Normal after being captured by the Nazis. Also I have way less MGR in Hardcore than Ranger, which seems rather backwards...also ammo seems less plentiful in Hardcore than Ranger Normal, so yeah think I'll just jump into Ranger Hardcore after beating Normal Hardcore.:p
     
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    I've been playing ranger hardcore and it's a bit of a mess to be honest. There is no hud anywhere or for anything. This makes it impossible to switch equipment which seriously impedes gameplay. But there is also no hud on things that need a hud to be functional in the game, like parts where you need to button mash or to play mini-games. It is broken and needs to be fixed.
     
  19. EbonKnight

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    No it's not. It's a bit idiotic to not have the ability to immersively check for ammo but ranger hardcore demands stealth in most cases anyway, and as I've said somewhere else it's actually kinda cool to wonder about ammo when it's the shottie and mutants are charging at you.. you'd hardly have time to look irl as well so you'd have to rely on memory too. As for the constant "use button" prompts, once I've figured out it's pretty much always the use button, I find it highly refreshing to go without the letter "F" popping up every now and then. Now, as to why they'd add QTE's in the first place.. well, at least it's more immersive than having the character do everything automatically I guess x)
     
  20. Darkness

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    I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same problem as me. I'm playing the game on Ranger Hardcore on my first playthrough, I just finished the game but I didn't get the Ranger Elite or Survivalist achievement. Playing on Xbox.
    I'm wondering if anyone else has had this issue. Needless to say this has me decently irritated.