Riots stance on Sandbox

I think that their logic is really flawed. If they really want to push new players to play real matches rather than chill in sandbox just have a requirement to play 5 matches before it unlocks. That's no reason to not add a feature when there's a solution available.

 

Meh. I really don't care one way or the other because I know how to play the game. I'm sure beginners won't like that, though. It could turn some off or away from the game.

 

I think that is plain stupid, and Riot should definitely reconsider what they want to do with Sandbox. I spent an hour trying to practice Thresh combos (Q, into ultimate then E a bot into the wall) just because I had to wait for my cooldowns to come up. I mean come on, how much experience are you going to get out of practicing some combos in Sandbox?

 

Sandbox is already here. It's called Co-OP VS AI or Botstomping. It's called custom games to learn kits and champs before playing a real match. We already have it. Why do we keep wanting to make a MOBA open? MOBA is defined by "Battle Arena".

 

Nailed it. There is no necessity to add anymore modes. How did all the players learn the game in the first place? If they could do it so can new players. Sandbox mode is a waste just botstomp.

 

yeah, it is a really weird decision since they already have vsAI , which is basically the same thing. I am not sure how much work it took them to implement it, but it seems a bit of a waste. Wonder if this was Ghostcrawlers first act?

 

I don't think you understand. A sandbox mode is no where near what Co-op vs AI offers. In a sandbox game you can have whatever you want like infinite flashes, no cooldowns, 100 champions and so on. It would be useful to learn new mechanics and also practice combos, or test the game's capabilities. You can't do that in a Bot game.

 

And I don't think you understand what I meant. I understand being able to reset cooldowns and mess with skills like HOTS - this is excellent, and I enjoy it, I just don't see LoL needing it.

The Botstomping is enough to test combos throughout a game, because the botstomp is exactly what a game would be like. minus the difficulty of opponents skill level. If you fail a flash there, you're going to fail a flash in normal game anyways. If you want no cooldowns, why? You're never going to use that mechanic in normal play anyways, so what benefit is there? Testing what capabilities? There isn't any modes that would make use of them, and even then RIOT would had to code more modes.

Unless you meant it entirely like HOTS's "Try a Hero", then I'm all for it.

 

Failing a flash in a sandbox game isn't equal to failing a flash in a normal game. If you simply had no cooldowns it would be much easier to test if a combo works or not. I didn't imply that ulting 100 champions would actually be useful in a normal game. I understand that you won't use the mechanic of no cooldowns in a real game, but if you want to practice doing the Insec (for example) it's going to take more than it should, with no apparent reason. I think Riot are just being lazy on this one.

 

They're definitely not up to HOTS's "Try A Hero" by any stretch, but I find they could add a similar feature into LoL pretty easily.

Just a sandbox for the champ you wanna try itself, before you buy them - as to pull of comboes and such in a non-meaningful way that it doesn't impact rating, elo, or anything like that. Then I have no issues. But there's no need for an entire game mode just centered around it. We'll agree to disagree I guess. But I do feel Riot IS being Lazy on this end, along with being lazy on a fair number of other issues. Maybe one day we'll see some headway.

Perhaps.

 

Riot's response to having no sandbox mode makes absolutely zero sense from any perspective. They are basically saying they only want people to practice in a real game which sets so many restrictions. A sandbox mode would help everyone from casuals to professionals. This allows people to practice extremely mechanic based champions like riven and improve way quicker than playing regular games.

 

LOL! I feel kinda the same. I just practice on the PBE. It would be cool to have a sandbox mode but riot wants you to spend money to 'test' shit so try it.

 

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The difference is time. You can so all the same things in a Sandbox mode in ALOT less time. And with alot less setup.

It would also be good for testing interactions and bugs. Finding out random shit like how does Jinx rockets act with Runaans would take like 2 mins instead of however long it takes to farm up the item in a bot game.

You can test BUILD efficiency on the fly as well.

It would also probably help riot in bug fixing and testing items/new champs/ buffs and nerfs. To the point that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they have one and just won't release it

 

I'd say that it could be really useful, and the idea that it is expressly being looked away from says they are sort of neglecting what a large percentage of players want - they probably don't see any profit in it, tbh.

 

I think those determined to learn will figure it out one way or another, but I do think having sandbox was helpful. If they are forcing new players in real games then I guess that's okay as long as they are able to match those new players with other new players as well.

 

I don't get that logic. Saying the only way to learn the game is to just put yourself in deep waters is strange. I would support a sandbox mode if they implemented one.

 

I'm all for it as well if they have a good system in which they get matched up with other new players. It doesn't make much sense to promote real match learning and then match them up with superior players. I just don't see out a sandbox mode hurts them in anyway.

 

I think it's a good way to start off if you're a complete newbie.

When I started off, I played ~100 bot games. When I played my first real game against other people I still got stomped. There's a learning curve to the game, and to get good fast it's better to start off the deep end.

When you're already somewhat proficient that's when the sandbox mode can help you out.