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Are you religious?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by rolfwar, Apr 22, 2012.

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  1. Darkbringer

    Darkbringer Huntsman

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    You are right to a point. But Einstein, for example, wasn't an atheist. So I say it doesn't limit people by force. That some people choose to live in ignorance, is as much their own fault as religion.
     
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  2. rolfwar

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    Skaara, i'm really starting to think that you are trolling us.

    Do you realise how preposterous is what you are trying to tell us?
    You are trying to convince us, with some kind of sofistic matter, that nothing is true and nothing is false.
    So,you really can wonder whether the "Evolution Theory" is a worldwide conspiracy against Religious Truths because "we don't know if the evidence is true" (???).

    In the World there is right and wrong,true and false.

    Between 2 opposed ideas/theories , not always the truth and the balance stands in the middle.

    I quote Richard Dawkins for you,since you have alluded to the topic:

    “Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence almost everyone has the same religion as their parents? And it always just happens to be the right religion. Religions run in families. If we’d been brought up in ancient Greece we would all be worshipping Zeus and Apollo. If we had been born Vikings we would be worshipping Wotan and Thor. How does this come about? Through childhood indoctrination.”—Richard Dawkins
     
    #222 rolfwar, Sep 18, 2012
  3. Teddy Picker

    Teddy Picker Well-Known Member

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    So much truth.

    Related: [YOUTUBE]6p5jnqEyUs4[/YOUTUBE]

    Slightly exaggerated, but whatever.

    You guys rock. Seriously, we're all behaving like adults which pleases me.
     
    #223 Teddy Picker, Sep 18, 2012
  4. Skaara Dreadlocks

    Skaara Dreadlocks Tha Baws

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    I highly doubt that the Scientists are all lying to us. I'm not looking at it as an option. But they have been wrong before, and they can be wrong again. Of course, they are right about the absolute most. But Science did officially declaire that the earth is flat, for example. I know that we now have advanced far enough to understand that the earth is round, so there are less mistakes now than there was before, but the complicatedness of the whole world is still far far far more advanced than Science is so far. We still haven't been able to generate cells yet, for example.

    On another matter, I find it interesting how you cannot see the world in different shades of grey, and just have to see it in either black or white, Rolf.

    It's true that I grew up and was raised with my religion, but I am fully aware of what other religions represent and believe in, and I have always been able and allowed to choose on my own. I personally like Buddhism more than my own religion. Buddhism is so attractive, peaceful, wisdom-oriented, relaxed, and has a lot of interesting beliefs. For example that they are able to see the world in all kinds of shades of gray, not just Black or White. But just like every other religion, Buddhism doesn't make logic sense to me. And just like every other religion, even Buddhism has fought wars and tended to violence. I do not support that at all. Religions shouldn't be warring at all. Jehovah's Witnesses is still the only relatively large religion I have heard of that still remains completely peaceful and has never tended to violence.

    Cerberus, sorry if you find this offensive, because it's definitely not meant to be offensive, but I have to ask: Don't you think that your view on religion is a little inspired from your childhood?
     
    #224 Skaara Dreadlocks, Sep 18, 2012
  5. cerberus

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    Which is why he was wise enough to keep the two separated. Intelligence is nothing without wisdom.
    As a musician, I take this compliment very much to heart!
    At ease, Skaara. We're merely talking here ;) Of course, childhood events and choices have shaped my future. But it certainly isn't the sole reason for me being at odds with religion. Opening up a history book or two was enough for me to see that religion is largely responsible for most atrocities.
     
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  6. Darkbringer

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    My theory is that without religion people would either be living in small citystates, like in "Metro 2033", with each their own government, or the leaders would simply have found other ways to deceive the masses.
    Like Hitler did. He didn't use religion very much, but still managed to deceive most of Germany, so I think those scenarios would have taken over the atrocities of religion.
     
    #226 Darkbringer, Sep 18, 2012
  7. Skaara Dreadlocks

    Skaara Dreadlocks Tha Baws

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    Although I mainly see religion as something more positive than negative, I must agree with that statement of yours, Cerberus. I must agree with that statement of yours indeed.
     
    #227 Skaara Dreadlocks, Sep 18, 2012
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  9. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member

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    [YOUTUBE]OnkCww2ZeVs[/YOUTUBE]

    I heartily recommend watching this at your own pace, absorbing and understanding each and every word this man says. There's a full length documentary about his project called "Future By Design".
     
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  10. Teddy Picker

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  11. Darkbringer

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    I'll do that tomorrow, it seems quite interesting. Thanks :)
     
    #231 Darkbringer, Sep 18, 2012
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    There's also a documentary which I'd like to share with you all BUT primarily because of its comedic value. In all honesty, I do think the host (Bill Maher) can be quite offensive at times but that doesn't negate the fact that a lot of good points are being made. The name of the documentary is "Religulous".
    [YOUTUBE]bMDF3bGyFmo[/YOUTUBE]
     
    #232 cerberus, Sep 18, 2012
  13. Skaara Dreadlocks

    Skaara Dreadlocks Tha Baws

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    I've watched 10 minutes of that video. So far, he seems like a whiney old man. Very thoughtful and intelligent, but still whiney. I guess that the whining leads to something later on in the video.I think he's building up the speech to definitely state his final meaning of the speech. I hope he will, or I'll be really disappointed by watching a youtube video for 40 minutes just to see an old man whine about the world's society :p I'll see the rest tomorrow.
     
    #233 Skaara Dreadlocks, Sep 18, 2012
  14. cerberus

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    Read up on the man before you pass your judgement, Skaara.
     
    #234 cerberus, Sep 18, 2012
  15. Teddy Picker

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    I liked the video. Pretty much summed up my views.
     
    #235 Teddy Picker, Sep 18, 2012
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    This! ^ I agree with Skaara. Arguing online may be stupid but it's usually educational for both sides of the argument. This depends on who you're arguing with of course.
     
    #236 VanillaToshi, Sep 18, 2012
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    yargl, all this smart talk makes my head hurt:(
     
    #237 Lagtagbag, Sep 18, 2012
  18. Von Streff

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    Wow, three new pages! :) Very interesting points made. I agree mostly with Skaara. I've never found anything in science which disagrees with anything my religion (Catholic) says. In fact, since we believe He created these natural laws and physics, it would be a contradiction to prove that He doesn't exist by His own creations. I have yet to see this contradiction.

    As far as evolution goes, I disagree with that on purely scientific grounds, the main point being the lack of scientific evidence (which is why it's a theory). Catholic teaching says God could have used evolution to develop man, and infused a soul (and intelligence) at that point. Scientifically though, scientists still need to develop that argument with solid proof and being open to the fact that it might be untrue. Creating new arguments based on a theory isn't a scientific approach.

    Nice to see you guys being kinda reasonable about everything in this thread. Keep it up!
     
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  19. Teddy Picker

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    I hate to be "that guy", really, but this is a common misconception.

    The amount of evidence and proof needed for a scientific "theory" is pretty damn substantial.

    Read here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
     
    #239 Teddy Picker, Sep 18, 2012
  20. Von Streff

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    Yeah, we're playing with words here. Thanks for that, Teddy Picker, you are correct. Thanks for that.

    My argument still stands that there isn't enough evidence. Microevolution (evolution within a species) is definitely a reality which we all accept. Animals naturally change and adapt to fit their surroundings. There is a ton of evidence and scientific research which proves that.
    Macroevolution, on the other hand (evolution from one species into another) has never been observed (which is a must for scientific study), and no undeniable evidence has been found. Unfortunately, many scientists have undermined their credibility with hoaxes and photoshopped images.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Iceman
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_drawing

    (please note, I use wikipedia as an 'unbiased' source, but I would recommend more scientific references for further study).
     
    #240 Von Streff, Sep 18, 2012
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