Are you religious?

Allow me to put that in perspective for you: people like me and rolf used to be burnt at the stake.

 

Well, we can't prove, Darkbringer. That's how it is.
Although it might seem like we're being looked down upon, I don't think that Cerberus and/or Rolfwar looks down at us. It just seems that way because we're discussing the theme and they are disagreeing with our way of thinking. We're all being friendly, mature and respectful

Answering Rolfwar; That's what I've been trying to say the whole time, but to me it has seemed like you have thought that I have tried to prove God's existance. ( I kind of was doing so, earlier, but not later on in the posts). In the last posts I have repeatedly attempted to clearly state how we all have our personal view on this and that, and that we cannot disprove each other

 

More like we're stupid because we don't understand the only true way of thinking.

Cerberus of course has a point with being burned at the stake. But, we don't see germans as nazis anymore either, do we?

 

Yet nazis are still very popular video game enemies today...

 

No one thinks anyone is stupid, and no one is looking down on anyone. If you think so, then you're stupid

On an unrelated note: what do you guys think of the Westboro Baptist Church?

 

To an extent, I must agree. Both Rolf and Cerberus has stated that our way of thinking is not logical, is nonsense or rubbish. Most people would find that offensive, but I don't. Why not? Because it's not meant by them as offending and ranting. They are just stating their opinions because they think differently, and there's nothing wrong with that. (Although they could perhaps do it a little more respectfully?)

I agree with Darkbringer; Though some religions has/are been/being sadistic and slowed/slowing down scientific progress, you can't say that religion was/are doing those things. It would be like saying that all Germans were nazis, and that all Germans still are Nazis.

 

They're just bigots. Nothing more, nothing less. They left one hell of an impression on Kevin Smith though... (see: Red State)

 

Wouldn't that be bad as well? I mean, if a child was brought up to religion properly (read: as in, not being shoved down and brain washed) and given a chance to see other religions, wouldn't that just be easier? It not only gives the child a better understanding of it, but also a wider array of options and allows less discrimination.

 

Using a few exclamation points and question marks are all well and fine. But did you really have to put it in almost every line? Sorry Rolf, but it's a common troll tactic since in the reader's eyes it's as if you're trying to provoke me.

 

But that's the problem: it always is getting shoved down one's throat. In Christianity, the vulnerable newborn is unable to defend itself during the baptism by the bastard priest. The still vulnerable child has never learnt to engage in rebuttal, he will not do so during his first and second communion. When reaching adolescence the child's rebellious nature will surface and when it has become a young adult only then is it acceptable for religion to be introduced for only then will it be making a fully informed an conscious decision to deliberately follow a specific religion or not.

And I must've read over this one bit because this is truly an outrageously uninformed statement.

Most, if not all religions have innocent blood on their hands. Even your supposed everloving god himself is a mass-murdering psychopath. Today animals and human beings are still being tortured and killed in the name of religion. These evil practices have been going on since forever.

 

Which begs the question: why would satan punish us for acting against god out of our own free will?

See, this whole concept has been lazily put together by weak-minded simpletons who threw logic right out the window in favour of using the good ol' fear-tactic on the gullible and fearful masses.

 

Most, definitely. All, definitely not.
My God is a mass-murdering psychopath? No. Satan is a mass-murdering psychopath.
Other God(s) being mass-murdering psychopath(s)? I have heard about people cutting over pig's throats and slaying animals as sacrifices for their God(s), but I've never heard about torturing animals as a religious act? o:

Cerberus: Satan is pure evil. It's not like he'd grant you with fame and happiness for acting against God. He knows that the humankind has a chance of salvation and life in the new world, but he's rebellious against it and wants to prevent as many as possible from actually getting there. When he has ruined our chance, he would only push us further down into the dirt.

Rolfwar: God sees who justly deserves the mercy of being discreetly and undirectly protected from Satan if they truly wish for it from the depths of their hearts.

Now, this is what defends my one religion. None other religion believes in this, so I do agree to Cerberus' statement:

But I would never say it that way. Why? Because it's respectless. I find it funny how I/we keep politely defending our beliefs while there's still always one or more who keeps writing offensively and respectlessly.

 

But this is where things get tricky Skaara.

What if God is malevolent? What if Satan rebelled because God was so cruel? I mean, think about it for a second; there are endless theories. How can we ever know? I don't know, just thought I'd throw this out there.

If religion is legit, I have a simple quote for you: "History is determined by the victor".

 

I follow Jehovah's Witnesses, Rolf

That's a logic thought, actually. That Satan rebelled because God was so cruel. Only thing is, that it seems logic that if God was cruel, he'd be a bad leader, and if he was a bad leader, he'd rather just make them all go poof and suddenly believe in God's righteousness. But I see your point. There's no way I can prove that it's correct. It just seems most logic to me, and therefor I believe in it.

 

Haven't read your bible, have you?

Also, you haven't heard anything about torturing animals for religious purposes? Naivity strikes again! I've seen voodoo rituals where a goat's scrotum has been ripped open while he was still alive, the “priest” (= torturer) proceeded to rip out his testies only to put them in his mouth afterwards. And no, this is not something I made up just to make a point. Look up the documentary “John Safran vs God – Episode 4”.

The ridiculous notion of satan granting me fame and happiness is a non-issue for me, as I do not believe in god or the devil. But I do understand what true satanism symbolises: absolute freedom. And no, Anton LaVey and his puppets do not qualify, they mirror Christianity. It's insulting.

Stop acting like I am the deceiver here. I'm merely calling it like it is.

 

I believe you. I never doubted that that happens, but I've never seen or heard anything about it before now. How is not knowing about that, naivity? I'd say that it's rather disknowledge; I simply just didn't know about it.

Reading this, I thought to myself "That's the most rediculous and naive thing I have ever heard". But I'm not gonna say that to you. Why not? Because I respect you, Cerberus, and I don't kick shit at you for saying something like that, no matter how much I feel like doing so. It's common politeness.

Cerberus, you are "merely" calling it like YOU see it. And that is definitely more than "merely". Let me ask: Why do you communicate so respectlessly?