Are you religious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety

“Having or showing a lack of experience, understanding or sophistication“

You should say it because that's exactly what it is when taken literally. You are not fully understanding what is being said.

I'm not, it's how you interpret my words.

 

Cerberus, we know how you dislike it, but it is absolutely unnecessary to repeatedly on purpose write sentences that you know will be interpreted as something offensive and respectless. I understand your opinion and your point and your statement clearly and perfectly without all those offending words. You are calling what people believe in and have deep faith in, a "mass-murdering psychopath". You know that the absolute most religious people interpret that as offensive, but do you really care?

 

My words hit hard but I told you: I am not responsible for the way you interpret things.

Read your bloody bible. It elaborates on my description in the deepest of details.

 

But you are responsible for the words you utter, Cerberus. And you know that it will be interpreted offensively, so why do you do it?

I'd be more than happy if you provided me with one or several location(s) in the bible that supports this statement of yours.

 

Indeed, I am! Honesty is a virtue.

With pleasure!

 

Again, I understand you clearly if you drop the offensive unnecessary words. You're honest when you don't use those words too, Cerberus. It's not like you'll be lying if you don't use those words. You cannot relate Honesty to using unnecessary offensive words.

Interesting, so that's how you interpret those scriptures? I cannot disprove the statements on that site because they are already interpreted.

 

You asked for examples and locations in support of my statement, you've been given all of them. Don't resort to a cop-out now that I've got you by the yarbles.

 

I'll be honest and say that I have a hard time reading 'ancient' English. Either way, I tried, and I could not clearly see any sentences saying that God kills someone in the referrances to the 'murders'. But, I know that Jehovah's Witnesses believes that God has caused the death of several people. How many, I'm not sure. As already said, I'm still investing and learning until I find a dead end where I'll begin to become sceptic. So far, I doubt that'll happen. So yes, you do have me by the yarbles, for now

 

You are very corret, Rolf. I almost agree with you. But this thread would never get as far as this if none of us were respectful and polite; it would either be stopped by a moderator and/or by another member of the forum, or it would offend one/several so much that he/they would leave the discussion. And if none of that happened, then the discussion would be pointless, only filled with useless statements and points that made no sense towards each other. No matter how you look at it, respect and politeness is a necessity in order for communicating efficiently.

Twelve pages in five days, people!

 

How odd... You being a Jehovah's Witness, it is my understanding that you reject the New Testament but accept the Old one, the one in which all the mass-murdering takes place by same Christian god you believe in (which is of course referred to as Jehovah).

Seriously, Skaara. Now you're just contradicting yourself?! :derp:

I wouldn't have thought any less of you if that would've been your first reply. I see a humble young fellow who now is not afraid to be faced with facts. Biblical facts, but facts nonetheless for they are written black on white. How you handle the information that was given to you is entirely up to you. I am not here to convince you or anyone else, but I am here to make sure that believers read between the lines as doing so is of vital importance and will shape the way one thinks and his or her personality for the years to come. When adulthood hits, and you fully realize that death is perhaps the only certainty of life, I can guarantee you that even bigger questions will arise, yet they will not be asked by some random heathen on the internet.

 

(In my previous post, I wrote 'investing'. I actually meant to write 'investigating', lol.)

Jehovah's Witnesses fully use The New Testament just as much as The Old Testament.
And don't worry about the contradicting. I will attempt to learn about the "murders" as well soon enough.

Thank you for the share of your wise knowledgements.

 

Yeah, I noticed... :lol:

No, that's the New World Translation... Not the New Testament.

Actually, this is something that worries me a great deal because - and this is now indisputable - you didn't read your bible, the foundation of your faith. The worst part is: this is not an isolated case...

You're very welcome.

 

No, I'm not mixing between the New World Translation and the New Testament. Jehovah's Witnesses use the New Testament just as much as the Old Testament. I don't understand where you have it from that we don't?

It's true, I haven't read the whole bible, but I have read loads of it with help from our litterature. And I'm not going "Oh, the litterature says that this means this, then it is that way". No, I'm looking thoroughly through the script and attempting to see my own view on it, and so far, it always is the same as the litterature tells me it is. But yes, it is grave that I haven't read the whole bible. I agree on that.

 

A Jehovah's Witness I once spoke with a great many years ago, said they did not accept the New Testament. Sadly, I can't recall the exact reasons he gave. Blimey, that's good news for me as my case stands even stronger now that even the New Testament is accepted by JW's according to you.

You've read loads but you happened to have missed the parts where all the killing was done? Something doesn't quite add up here...

Anyway, time for Cerberus to submerge his thoughts into 80's horror flicks!

 

I'm not sure how long we have accepted the New Testament, really, but I'm 100% sure that we do.

That's a quote of me earlier. Yes, Cerberus, I have been taught about the many 'murders' of God. The fall of Babylon, Sodoma and Gomorra, the woman turning into a salt statue. It's all described and re-told detailedly in our litterature. Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't change anything in the bible, no matter how it might seem contradicting to their beliefs. We use everything in the bible, we don't let anything of it get away from us. It's either the absolute whole bible, or none of it. Nothing in between. And thus, I believe that God killed many people. And as said, I will invest in this. Jk, I will investigate it

 

And here's another quote from you:

I have disproven and debunked both of these claims by giving you a taste of your own foul-tasting medicine.

There is nothing left for us to discuss. You defend and advocate your faith, yet you have not read - let alone understood - your bible. You make outrageous claims. You contradict yourself. You are a blind follower. You are not the only one. You are a sheep amongst the aimless herd.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is religion for you.

Cerberus out.

 

Wouldn't that also cause a misunderstandings? If a child isn't taught about why and how a religion works, wouldn't that lead to bigotry? Wouldn't that also lead to the very downfall of morality, if a person does not understand what he is doing, and only does it because that is 'what he saw' and never actually found the whole point of what he was calling himself? It's just like most christians nowadays. You can be christian without ever holding the cross or going on a pilgrimage, but you can also be NOT christian even if you walked a hundred thousand miles of prayer.

And parents have the right to teach their children religion. It's they're bloody house dammit, and they'll respect their bloody laws. Anyone who says spanking a child is a child-abuser should be educated. I got spanked and belted by my parents, but it was because I deserved it.

And yes, religion causes a great deal of discrimination, not just racism (when did discrimination only mean racism?). Seriously. If we asked the first thing people thought about muslims, they probably won't respond until given two seconds. They're afraid they might insult someone.

That, I agree, but what I was trying to say was to actually revamp education itself, not just religion. Sure, there's nothing wrong with being born christian (in my idea, I use my experience of Christianity as an easy way to compare it to other religions, the pros and cons. I try to be honest). But I do believe that even if you were born under one religion, you should be free to learn and understand other religions. Instead of 'Theology' being just about the religion in your area, it's the study about all religions, philosophical ideas, and all that.

 

A religious upbringing leads to bigotry, an unbiased one doesn't. You don't need religion to teach morality. You need intelligent parents who've read a book or two in their lives and know how to properly explain what is wrong or right.

Actually, that is child-abuse and bad parenting as it is immoral behavior. I am more educatd than your parents as they were clueless about how to explain to you in plain words that what you did was wrong, so they'd hurt you to make sure you would associate your wrongdoing with pain. And you would not do it again out of fear of pain, not out of love for your parents.

 

Will someone brought up with no concept of religion, or even despising religion, be open-minded and fair in giving it a try? I think not...