Are you religious?

I dont know about that, Natural law is pretty crude, as in the Strong only survive and the such.

I Morally Accept genocide, Now, I had a average non-Religious upbringing. but still, 'Natural Law' says that I shouldn't, most people would say I am wrong. But this alone proves that Human nature dosnt dictate that murder is wrong, but death should be done if the situation prescribes it.

Religion builds (in my View) on the thought that we need something to believe in, Now, this urge to believe in something is what religion forms out of, a Void of Knowledge that wants something to fill it.

Now, that covers why we have such a thing as Religion, this formed the basis of modern life, though the ages it developed names, titles and morals witch became just, life. Then we started to lose religion with the abuse of power in the churches though the times, and the starting of non-Religious movements.

 

Very good points there indeed, Rolf. I must agree.
Now, to the part about Jehova's Witnesses. It is true that you are expelled from the congregation if you choose to abandon your faith. About families, I'm not sure. I believe that it is not strictly forbidden with contact, but we are advised to limit our social communication with people that may be of negative influences to us. Remember, we follow everything the bible says. We're not extremists. We never fight or make wars. We don't even do demonstrations. I've lately gotten a positive eye for the Buddhism. It seems very peaceful and attractive to me, but even they have been officially warring for their beliefs.

 

I'd have to disagree with you here. While it's true that some blindly follow religions, unquestioning, a religion should also make sense to people that think about it.

In my experience, the Catholic Church makes perfect sense in it's laws and traditions. I don't blindly follow it. The things that can only be believed through Faith (because they are mysteries revealed to us) are only believed because I have a rational basis on which to place my trust.

I find that the Church promotes logical thinking (see the writings of Thomas Aquinas), and every question I have ever asked a priest gets a logical answer. I've never been left with "Well, that's just how it is". They always give an answer in clear, concise language, no BS, no side-tracking, no avoiding the question. I appreciate that in the traditional Church, and it helps me believe in those things which can't be seen only through reason and science (as science deals only with physical things).

All that makes sense, I trust?

 

But they do answer questions, as I said. Of course, if you say I'm a brainwashed guy who takes in everything without question, so be it. But I'm not. Is your view purely your own, or has it been influenced by modern society, the media, and what people tell you? I'm not saying that it has, but it's a question worth asking yourself, with all due respect.

So what is your view on the universe, death and life, if I might ask?

 

Both are half-ish correct in my opinion. Von does of course not follow blindly, but there is a difference between hope and belief. Hope is just hope, really. I would say that if you do not study the stuff correctly, and just listen to what others say in a logical way, it's still not proper belief. I study the bible along with a group of others. Most of them are old and wise people. We all come to the same conclusion when doing this, after intensively studying this and that.

To look back at the question about what is most important, some say that what's most important is just to have faith and be in a relationship with God. But how can one actually be in a relationship with God without reading the bible which is amongst many religions concidered as God's "message" to humanity? I mean, you wouldn't have a good relationship with your girlfriend if you never actually spendt any time with her and just ran around having sex with everyone and doing drugs xD

 

Double morality is definitely a problem. Christ himself says "Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?" and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". But this does not mean that we shouldn't work against sin in the world. We must continually strive to perfect ourselves as we work to help others.
Also, a good Christian won't go around just saying "You'll burn in hell". That doesn't fix anything. It doesn't show people the truth, it don't show them the possibilities.

Also, getting back to the people who "work with" religion, I take it you mean the priests? Here's what priests do:

Firstly, they give up the world forever. The priesthood is forever, marriage will never be an option.

Secondly, they spend seven years studying the Church and it's laws. This gives them time to make the decision.

Thirdly, they go to poverty stricken countries. They may come from France and got to a country in Africa. They rely on the generosity of the people. They work tirelessly and without hope of a "raise". They can't buy a house and settle down into retirement.

Fourthly, they take responsibility for the souls of their congregation. They are held accountable for their salvation, a huge responsibility. Of course, if you don't believe in the soul, you'll say this is nonsense.

What do they get out of "working with" religion? What bonuses do they have. The priests I know personally were studying to be donators, accountants, teachers. They would have had a good job, good pay, and a "successful" life. In the eyes of atheists, they chose the wrong thing.

 

I wouldn't call it double morality. I'd simply say that religions all have different moral standards. When you try and change these then not only are you changing one's law and culture but you ultimately change one's beliefs too.

This is where all the bloodshed begins historically. If a country doesn't allow you to follow your religious practices and beliefs for example homosexuality then find one that does. Trying to impose one's views and change someone's mindset changes the fundamental morality that one holds.

In Islam for example everything has a purpose and Muslims hold firm on creationism.

 

Really? It's the exact thing in my religion with those we call "The Elders". They do exactly the same. But I've heard that the most churches demands money for speeches, and about priests who mainly gives advice and stuff just for the money's sake?

 

Are there any other Jedi's in here besides me?

 

Fellow Jedis, let us gather upon the despiceful Brony that have intruded our safest ground!
*Jedi power engage*

 

That's discrimination....




sith scum.

 

Religions can only divide our society... ù.ù

 

:twitch:? If one thing will have people unite, it is their religion. Take the jews as an example.