Are you religious?

I disagree since the human race is diverse. You can't expect everyone to think the same can you?

Rather I think it's important that mankind should get to know one another instead of being ignorant towards other people's beliefs, culture, and practises etc.

 

I believe in something higher then myself but he/she/it does not have a name I personally believe that religion is more of a burden then a help eg the crusades ,war in Iraq
So that's just my little bit

 

Humans will err. Unfortunately, there are people in the Church who will twist things to fit their goals. The Church laws do not condone this. Sometimes a crooked Pope will, but never the fundamental Church laws.

It's unfortunate that these things happen. In the 1400's-1600's, the Church was filled with corruption, quite a few of the Clergy were collecting huge amounts of land and money. But the heroes of that time are the monks who began orders where poverty was a major focus. A nun went to the pope who was staying in Avignon (the famous Schism where there were three popes), and told him straight to his face that what he was doing was wrong. These were the ones who were truly Catholic at that time.

So yes, unfortunately corruption and abuses will take place, and these definitely give a bad name to the Church. It is because they have departed from the laws and practices of the Church that these things happen. I understand where you are coming from, and I see what you are saying.

And I must say, it's amazing how mature everyone in this forum is! Most forums have a thread about religion, and it turns into pointless name-slinging contests and who can shout the loudest. Instead, we have had a normal talk. Thanks guys!

 

Hmm, yeah, I must say I was worried when I saw it, but I waited to see how it would go.

 

I do not believe in a God or Dynasty as such but I would like to think think that there is some sort of ruling force that controls life like Karma or something similar

 

I think there's a problem with what you think is up with Christianity and Church and the like.

Christianity, and by that I'll focus more on Catholicism, and the Church are different. Catholicism isn't the Church, and the Church isn't Catholicism. The Church is the people. The men and women who believe in Christianity. Just because ONE person does wrong, does that make his whole social group wrong?

Say, for the sake of relativity, a fellow Italian had killed a man, a foreigner. Would that make all you Italians killers? No. If a black man would put hate on a white man, does that all black men hate white men? No. Once again, we have to remember it isn't the belief or philosophy which is at fault. It's our humanity. We ourselves are faulty. Blaming religion won't change tax evasions from stopping. It won't change the fact that wars are still on going, in and out of the media. It won't change the truth that murderers are still in our midst, looking for new prey. It won't change that one senator's mind on $(r3\/\/in9 one of those 'skilled' secretaries, and leave his wife be on her lonesome. It won't change anything.

While I was reading this thread I remember reading that philosopical religions are the best religions. Lemme try to give my view on this. In my perspective, all surviving religions are based around sound philosphies.

I'll try to start with the easiest ones: Hinduism and Christianity is mainly about respect for all life. It's mainly about doing good for selfless reasons and the such. Islam is more on faith and dedication, and mainly loyalty. Once again, it teaches selflessness for the greater good of your fellow men. All of which were suppose to help us build a better society. But they didn't. All these religions were made with good intentions in mind, but it's just that their founding fathers had their heads to up in the skies with G/god(s) (I'm using the big and small 'G' to signify all religions, the one I believe in and the others the others believe in, and the 's' for polytheistic religions(This is so I won't accidentally insult someone.).) that they forgot one major important factor which would contribute to their failure: Human Error.

I'm sure you might be wondering why I'm saying this, but what I'm trying to convey is that you shouldn't hate the belief. Hate the people who corrupt the belief. And in turn, the people who corrupt society. Don't point a finger at the group. Point the finger at the individual. It'd be a complete waste of time if you just said the Church is filled with tax evaders and the such. Seriously, there's so much people in our society it'd take forever to find out who if you don't narrow down the potential suspects! xD (Okay, that wasn't serious)

I think the most appropriate saying would be: 'I like your Christ, but I do not like you Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.' ~ Gandhi

 

Are you talking about removing all churches?

 

I wouldn't call myself religious...

I believe in "Worth" and "Purpose"

I'll probably have to elaborate on this...but yeah...

 

The Catholic Church is based on the first Pope (St Peter), and was formed by Christ Himself. Christ instituted the priesthood, the hierarchy, and the Mass. If we abandoned these things, we'd be ignoring the words of God Himself. It's as Dahksinol said, the Church itself isn't the problem, it's the corrupted people in the Church. Sometimes this corruption has reached the Pope himself, but the good that the Church has in it's laws and traditions far outweighs the evil done by a few of it's members.

The only time evil has been done by people in the Church is when they ignore and go against it's practices. The greed and avarice is condemned by it, lust is condemned by it, murder and cruelty is condemned by it. The fact that members of the Church have done these things in the past shows what happens when they don't follow the Church's laws.

 

yes, i'm catholic but i want be ateist

 

Not necessarily. Not ALL Catholics support the church, and the church doesn't support all Catholics. If I were to kill a man, let's say my neighbor for the sake of relating it to Catholicism, do other catholics support me? Even when I, a catholic like them, am part of the church? If I were a german from WWII, and I supported the facist regime, would that have made me a killer, murder and whatever you call the reich's soldier? Even if I was at my house the whole time the war had happened, not even pulling a trigger?

About what you said with abolishing the Church just because the bible didn't include it as a defender. The Church isn't defending Christianity. The Church is a collective group of people which believe in it. It is left to the priests and the ministers to defend the flock and shepherd the cattle of the church, the believers. Think of it as the armed forces of a country. All of the members of the armed forces are part of the country, but not everyone from the country are part of the armed forces.

And about hypocrisy, if you had a hero, who had one simple mistake, would he stop being your hero? I'm guessing 'no'. Us catholics, we criticize the church. No doubt about it. There are things we believe shouldn't have happened and things that should have. But you forget, they're just human. If a country like America would launch a nuke today on a country it is at war with, would that make all Americans in the thingy that makes those big decisions supportive of the act? Not necessarily, right?

Well, if we didn't have a hierarchy, we would be a headless tyrannosaurus. Extremely big, stomping around shizz, killing anything in its way by accident or on purpose without knowing where it's going. And you wouldn't want that. Especially if the tyrannosaurus was a ZEALOUS tyrannosaurus. xD

Note: This is all in my opinion and point of view. It doesn't reflect the way any of the social groups I am part of look at this topic, nor is this any fact or theory. It is all basically an opinion made from my understanding of the topic. Except the last part. I wanted to lighten up the mood with that one :lol:

 

Same thing for me, comrade.I am Roman Chatolic,but have my own thoughts about religion and God.

 

Seriously, I mean sure: I believe there's a God and I try to be a good person, but I don't think a person should be bound by rules decided by people of an organization (like the Church) who "interpret" God's word.

 

Absolutely, you are 100 percent right, from my point of view.

 

Well i should be lithuanian catholic, but i dont really believe in God or afterlife. Well basically science kill any religion there is. For example it is know that Bible war written by not one man, but a lot of different ones, because modern tecnology can prove it by the handwritting. So modern science can prove that a lot of Bible God blessed events is jsut rare or unatural nature events wich people couldnt understand back then. And the afterlife was made for people wich are afraid for death, as they say that hope dies last
I dont say that religion is a bad thing, everything that has its good and bad sides. The good- its rules that somepony umm i mean someone has to follow to be able enter heaven ( its like RPG game (good choices gives you different ending) ) and the bad side is that people uses religion for there goals.
This is only my opinion, i hope i didnt insulted anypony