Communists?

An upholder of the status quo. An enemy of reason.

 

Guys, maybe we should talk about this in the "Are you Religious" thread...

 

You are correct but count me out. I've said all there is to say about the subject, I needn't repeat myself.

 

I agree.It gets tiring to repeat all teh same stuff ove rand over again.

 

I believe that peope are largely able to take care of themselves, even in a capitalist society. However, some people are unable to keep up with the demands of a truly liberal society, so I think socialism would also have a place in the, IMO, ideal society. Helping the people who are actually in need, but still leaving most decisions to be made by the individual, instead of the government enforcing all kinds of weird "controls" (like increasing taxes on certain products in order to make people buy less of that product. It happened to fat and sugar here. Of course they didn't take the money they earned from that, and lowered the prices on healthy alternatives, no. The money just dissappeared.)

 

Ok, here is one reason I am not a supporter of communism:
My father works about 70-80 hours a week, is project leader and has the responsibility of 16 others.
My mother works for just around 30 hours and has responsibility only towards the citizens she helps during the day (She teaches old people to take care of themselves). Too add to that she doesn't think about her work when she's at home, while my father is often concerned about a project when at home.

What bugs me is this: In a communist society they would be rewarded equally, despite an enormous difference in workload and stress.
Now, I love my mother and such, don't get me mistaken, but she doesn't work as hard as my father.

 

In that case I would choose communism over how Denmark works. It isn't like people get rewarded accordingly anyway, so we might as well build a society that is based on sharing and working together instead of the mixed-race thing we do at the moment, where you might earn more or less money depending on your job, but in the end it's the same because everything you buy is so damn expensive due to protectionism. In other words: Things are expensive because we can't offer competitive prices of production due to high taxes. It would take me hours to explain how this works in Denmark, but even then you'd probably have to live here to understand.

 

The communism isn't much liked by purple and it has the wrong leaders to. Socialism goes well in Europe and Sweden. But the aggressive Muslims complains about it.
I do't know...

 

See the idea behind getting to a communist community is first the government helps people relax into it then goes away letting people go on being equal. Everyone has everything they need and want and everyone is happy. The point of communism is the perfect community. Everyone helping each other out and progressing with everyone taking the same amount of steps and no one being poor. But due to humans being greedy it can't work out.

So am I a communist? I would say so. I support the PURE communism not that socialist bullshit.

 

I'm not a communist. I think it has very noble aspirations, ones I agree with, but I disagree with the approach, I guess. I think that real communism is impossible, or nearly so.

I guess I think that a capitalistic economy with some government regulation (i.e. safeguarding unions, workers' rights, minimum wage, protecting the environment, etc.).

Another main (somewhat economic) goal is that the most vulnerable members of society should be protected.

 

The best way for Communism to work is on Small scale, where communities arent dependent on trade.

but thats the problem, the Modern world is of Consumers, if we all had jobs down at the Logging camp, Workshop, Bakery, Farms then it would be fine, but we have so many people in Office jobs, and these just cant fit into a small scale world as well as other things can, Of course you will still need people crunching the numbers but not to the extent of witch we have it.

To Appoint a Communist community, Technology I think would have to go back to approx 1940 level, as Advanced alloys, Plastics, Electronics just wont work to well in a communist system, due to their process of production, Resource Draw, Required Workforce, Power Costs and Usefullness (Being lower than just Backsmithing, and basic Steel production that can be used and produced on a small scale well)

 

A second part of the whole tech part is that the world is a lot "smaller." Nations around the world are so connected in trade (part of what you said) and the internet would make it much more difficult.

 

I should be able to make much better points one day! My Reenactment group leader said he might start Political Training!

 

I know a bit about macroeconomics, though mainly through a class I am taking, but your probably right. My problem is that I occasionally post without fully developing a thought, or fully exploring it. How screwed up was my post, Bamul?

Also, side note. I'm sorry if I sound like a snob on this forum, I just write like I'm writing an essay or something. And when a topic comes up, I feel a weird obligation to at least express my view.

 

It is rather one-sided at times. Especially the macroeconomics class, which has not really distinguished between the "communist" government of the Soviet Union with the actual philosophy (mainly because macroeconomics is meant as a science - they observe what occurs in a system, but don't place values).

It was most fairly discussed in a philosophy/Christology class I took Junior year. I don't mean to pretend that I know everything about the subject from a high-school course, though. Anyway, you're right, there's usually a bit of bias when you come into that thing.

 

^This.

The education in the modern world is structured in such a way that prevents most people from thinking "out of the tracks" . I mean, if you try to explain communism to somebody like that, they just can't help but critique it from a Capitalist POV.

I think this thread could be very helpful to anybody who wants to know about it, and the ones that know something about it ( i myself still have to read more books about it) could answer the questions.