Communists?

I've always thought that Communism went against the very nature of humanity. I believe that until we get the things in Star Trek that make unlimited anything for free, Capitalism will be the dominant socioeconomic system throughout the world.

 

Imagine all the Peanut M&Ms i could have 0_0

 

I'll agree with you that the Soviet Union was feared/respected, but that's a pretty narrow-minded look at Capitalism. Back in the World Wars, everybody back here saw them as being incredibly paramount to the country's well-being. Not doing anything to help out was considered to be shameful. Sure, people had a choice, but you can probably bet which one most people took. Almost any form of government works best when its people are united under a common cause.

Also, none of the things you stated are even remotely exclusive to either form of government. Hard work is what brings calluses, sweat, and in most cases, cooperation. I've never been to a Communist country, but I can't imagine stress not ever being a part of someone's life. Same with sex, money, violence, and death. And while I don't really know much about Corruption, I've never met anyone who considered the Soviet leadership (sorry to keep bringing them up, they're just the only major example of communism that we're really taught about in school) to be anything but corrupt, and a quick Google search immediately brings up stuff about corrupt actions on the parts of people like Stalin.

Can we agree that most governments are built upon sound ideas, but ultimately ruined by shitty people?

 

- Soviet Union was corrupt after the death of Stalin. In the time of Gorbachev, the highest corruption emerged, soldiers, officers were selling AK 47's to USA and they were selling it to Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organisations in Afghanistan.

- Yeah, Government is always bad, because of people who lead it.

 

Frankly I got no problems with people who like comminism so long as they are not trying to force it on me I myself don't like any form of goverment.

 

it was dead man it was... dead

 

Yakov, what you said is straightout false.

First of all, the "socialist" principles of the Party were intended to be a bait for the working class to vote for the NSDAP, and Hitler never hid that to his right-wing comrades. As for the more left-wing faction of the Party, it was eradicated in the Night of the Long Knives, in 1934, as the Industrials and the Army requested to do so in exchange for their support to the NSDAP.

Not only that! The NSDAP continued to receive huge funds from the german industrials ( at one point even foreign industrials!), and they were left total freedom in dealing with the wworking class.

Throughout the 12 years of Thrid Reich, the number of hours that the laborers had to serve increased, while the salaries dwindled.

And there would be much more to speak about.

I'm not sure if you are trying to sell that Hitler was a socialist just because you have no idea what you are speaking about, or simply because you intend to confuse the others' ideas with your revisionistic view of the Third Reich....though i'd be more sure of the latter.

 

can we all agree the nazis where evil mkay?

 

I was not talking about NSDAP (which was ultra-right), but about National Socialism as a whole.

How can you say that I do not know what I'm talking about, when I've spent huge amount of hours reading historical books, surfing throughout the whole internet for historic articles (nope, not just wikipedia).

 

Just because Hitler used that name, does it automatically mean it cannot be Socialism? That's same as in DPRK.

 

Much facepalm, wow.

 

I don't want to enter this because I'll say something wrong or unleash my ultra dictatorial communist beliefs on everyone but national socialism I've always seen as being socialist for only the countrymen and women of the country but being incredibly racist to any other race or religion which does not conform to the beliefs the party has set down

 

It was meant to be so. Listen, there are types of racists and I am not the violent one. For me it's: "Everybody should go to his own country, unless you have very common culture and tongue." Isolating Nations means no conflicts.

EU does things completely different, it tries to erase racism by inserting different cultures to the native one. But this move actually makes the opposite of its aim.

Anyway, the final stage of Communism is for me the only way how we would be able to achieve a complete order in humanity.

 

This integration of cultures has caused racism in certain parts of Britain to an extent against the Polish (No offence to Bamul or anyone else) , Romanians and other eastern Europeans (No offense to anyone) just because Britain has open borders to Europe and they take a lot of the jobs and this creates racism from some people who are looking for a job that they can't get. Don't know if that's what you mean.

I also think communism could get complete order but it is almost impossible. It's the perfect idea which will never happen. I think the only way, as Lenin said, is that a communist country needs one supreme leader until it accepts cpmmunism without argument

 

also the leader can't be corrupt,, which commusim tends to have bad luck with

 

True, true, I feel Russia's communism may have worked if Stalin hadn't taken over because I truly believe Lenin and Trotsky believed in the communist idea while Stalin used it as a way to gain power

 

I'm sorry if I sound racist now, but Trotsky was a jew and they didn't/don't have very good reputation anywhere.