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3303
Good riddance.

 

3304

To be honest, I never was a short-drink tipe of man, I just drink usually beer, but this vodka tasted good, I might be give chance for that. Thank the suggestion

 

3305

Then you may enjoy Żubrówka with apple juice even more (preferably one that is not from concentrate). Apart from drinking it straight, in Poland Żubrówka is also commonly served in drinks mixed with apple juice on ice. I like both of these personally.

 

3306

Good idea, when I drunked vodka as mixed, I drunked it with Sprite, but I will give it a try as well.

 

3307
I second Bamul's vodka and apple juice. Don't be afraid to mix it quite strongly either, the apple juice is surprisingly smoothing with vodka.
My favourite vodka is Stolichnaya. Nice and clean taste, quite inexpensive too. Like a vodka should be. I don't drink Belvedere or Grey Goose, the typical party vodkas here.
Then again I have never tried Wodka, so I might not have a clue

 

3308
Everybody knows that all of the magic is in the generic, white label vodka bottles.

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3309

Well, I don't think that I will going to drink again soon, but thanks for the suggestions

 

That's very thoughtful of you, Bamul. I didn't think of the same thing at all. I accept and receive your criticism, and you have my sincerest apologies. But in a way I must slightly disagree with the part about it being unfair compared with proper people who's gotten banned, and here is why:
The proper people like Cerberus, TotalAaron, Majnu and others kept repeatedly being disrespectful and/or provoking etc despite being warned repeatedly. Therefor, they were given a week ban or so to get some time to cool down, because in reality they were actually angry or disapproving. And from proper members like these, we expect more respect, and we expect them to be able to commune, discuss, or even argue, in a more decent and appropriate way.

This "troll", on the contrary, was never angry or disapproving and he never meant any of the things he said; he said it purely to piss off people and create a mess. He's here just for destruction's sake and for his own amusement. Yes, I do agree we should ban people like these instantly with no hesitation. But understanding that what they say has no meaning, I am more tolerant against it, and turn it on its head so he wastes his time and creates amusement for me instead of pissing me off. But one thing I never consider because I always forget it, is that there will always be someone who reacts strongly against it and can't see how meaning less it actually is - someone who's not tolerant against it at all because they get offended instead of finding the stereotypical amusement in it.

And that is why I waited with banning him, but at the same time it is also why I should have banned him instantly. What I've said now doesn't invalidate your points about newcomers reacting to it. On the contrary, it makes them even more valid and supports them.

Look at me, going all Internet's Social-Police again Anyway, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and I'll try to remember your points if there's ever a next time that this happens. Aka, I will ban the next troll immediately. I hope we can put this behind us, with one eye on the past and another on the future

I second that :lol: I've had some bad experiences with Vodka. 40% in Puerto Rico on Gran Canaria with some friends of mine, and in Denmark with some other friends of mine. Both times was Smirnoff
Only time I've drank Vodka after that, was at a canoe-tent-mountain-lake-trip with my best friend. We shared a small flask of 21,9% Kalinka by the bonfire, because that's the strongest drink you're allowed to buy when you're younger than 20 in Norway That went alright though, luckily. No side-effects the next morning either, so we went on paddling

Also, TheDarknessEnvelops messed up on the previous page, so the count is now 3308.

 

3309

I was kidding about the cheap vodka. Don't buy that crap.

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I never saw TotalAaron or Majnu getting out of hand. A curse word was probably the worst that I saw from any of the two; and a lot of people here have cursed too, including me XD (even though the forum rules say that profanity will not be tolerated). Cerberus had strong opinions and I always remember skimming threads and seeing that he made people go on crazy rants (this was before I was a member and I would visit the forum as a guest...good times).

I only laughed at one thing the troll said, and that was when he mentioned the gas masks from the "gas mask thread" looked like they came out of a Happy Meal. Pretty cool Happy Meal prize .

Anyway, it's over with.
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And Skaara, I'm jealous of your canoe/camping trip. That's sounds like it would be a lot of fun out:

 

3310
Wait, Aaron got banned? What? Since when?

And like I said, I don't mind trolling as long as it's entertaining. A good prank should leave most people laughing, and walking into a room and just dropping racial slurs for no reason is not an example of that.

 

Even I also write some curse-words here on the forum even though I know the rules forbid profanity. I could change it of course but I think it's better this way
Anyway, Majnu was arguing with me and some others that I don't remember, about it being unfair that I got a free copy of LL when it was released, just because I was a Super Moderator, whilst Majnu actually did more work for the community than me. I agree with that, but Majnu eventually, after arguing reasonably for a while, started making illogical and false accusations against me or something, so he got a week ban. He hasn't been much around after that, but he pops up now and then once in a while. As for TotalAaron, I don't remember what the conflict was about specifically, but he was being pretty discriminating towards someone for no good reason twice or perhaps even thrice if I remember correctly. No real harm done though, as he got a week to cool down and came back with the same happy awesome mood and posts he usually has

Anyway, don't be jealous of that camping trip; the weather was foggy and grey from Thursday evening when we got there, until Sunday afternoon when we left. The air was extremely moist, and at one point we were actually so deep inside the cloud-layer (because we were so high into the skies) that we couldn't even see the other side of the lake, or even the island on the middle of it. We fished almost all the time, and no fish at all. Just one small bite and that was it. It was also a pain in the neck to get the fire going. But once that was fixed, we enjoyed every evening by the bonfire with good food, drink, snacks and company. The canoeing was pretty good too, with some sight-seeing deeper into the lake's twirly bays

3311

 

3312
Stupid fish. They make it look so easy in the movies. Well, now that you've explained it, it seems like it was an alright-trip because the gloomy-moist weather, and I'm sure it was annoying trying to keep everything dry. Just the thought of it sounds cool though....canoes!

Not as bad as my experience, though. I went camping once and I took my dog with me. I set up the tent in a pretty flat area at the bottom of a little hill after looking up at the sky and saying “nah, it’s not gonna rain.” For two days, it was perfect, and then the rain came. I had built a trench around my tent when I first set it up, just in case, but that didn’t help at all. It’s an old boy scout’s tent from 64’, and back then, they didn’t include a floor on the bottom. My trench worked, at first, but then the water began to seep in. I build another trench inside of the tent, but then that began to overflow too and flooded the inside XD. Everything got wet except for my sleeping bag. It rained hard for an entire hour, and, my dog and I, stood outside underneath a pine tree that provide very little protection –it seemed like it had lost all of it’s pine needles due to some sort of fire (lighting was my guess). Anyway, it stopped and I slept outside next to the fire.

 

3313 thank you for explaining your resoning skaara very nice of you (4 bans and counting)

 

My friend and I started this last year. This is the second time we go camping somewhere in what we Norwegian call the Autumn-vacation, which lasts a week. (That's only for people who go to school though, so I had to take a day off at work ) It rained last year as well, and then it was way colder even though we were on a much lower mountain and further south. So we've decided that next year, we'll go in the summer, during a weekend when the weather is predicted to be nice and sunny

And too bad about all the rain inside your tent xD Luckily, my friend and I had set up a large ... I don't know what it's called, but I googled it and it's apparently Lavvu in English. And we covered the ground inside it with a large plastic cover which we curled up against the walls inside the lavvu so the water had no chance of getting inside. Kind of like this, just with the floor being much larger so we could curl it up against the walls like I said:

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I also brought a motherload of plastic bags to put everything and anything inside of, when not using it. Warm clothes, food, head-torch and other electric devices etc. Everything was pretty dry inside the tent, except the walls. The sleeping bags were a bit moist on the outside for some reason though, but we hung them in a tree to dry when it stopped raining. Outside, though, was another matter

Thank you, and thank you for the positive reaction
3314

 

3315

Thanks, I'm glad you understood my point.

I agree with you and I believe that most if not all cases in which you've suspended someone were appropriate, as a message for them to cool down and stop before they said something they'd later regret. However, I just can't agree about the trolls. When a normal member of the forum simply loses his or her temper and starts to spout insults or flames others, then they should indeed be suspended. This way the person attacked receives help and the offender avoids a ban if they cool down during the suspension and realise what they did wrong. Usually the offender is a nice person, but says something they normally wouldn't under the influence of emotions.

A troll, on the other hand, does everything not because they are angry and lost control but simply to piss everyone else off. It is deliberate, thought-out and considerably worse. The best trolls are often ready to go to extreme lengths to affect how a person feels. In order to do that, they have to express no empathy for a fellow human being. That's why I think the forum rule against trolling should still be enforced: trolling always escalates - even though it may seem funny at first, it will end up getting out of hand. Minor acts of trolling can be quite humorous and used as a joke between friends, but the best trolls are much more extreme and in real life they are often some of the saddest people you could ever meet.

Sure thing.

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As for the vodka, I personally wouldn't ever buy the cheapest stuff. It tastes like crap and you'll probably get ill from it, as how the drink is made makes all the difference in how your body tolerates it. That and how much of it you consume, of course. I like pure vodkas for shots and for mixing, but I tend to prefer nalewka (sorry, there is no English word for it) or some other slightly flavoured vodka. Although Smirnoff isn't the cheapest of the bunch, I am personally not a fan. It just doesn't seem quite strong enough in taste. It also doesn't have much in common with original Smirnov, as it's brewed all over the world and has many weird variants.

When it comes to vodka, I have to say that I'm a bit of a nationalist. :lol: I believe Polish vodka is best, and I guess that makes sense since it's where the drink was invented. Then come other Eastern European countries (Russia included) and Scandinavian countries. Then the rest of the world. Naturally, you can always find some terribly cheap stuff in Poland, Russia, Sweden or wherever - but speaking generally, most of the vodka made in North/Eastern Europe is better than what you can get elsewhere. The older the tradition of vodka is in a certain country, the more likely it is to have better vodka. The areas of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and European Russia are the homeland of vodka and they've been drinking it for centuries; since from there it spread to Scandinavia ages ago, the Northern European nations have mastered the art of making it as well. But when you look at places like the UK or US, where vodka became popular (usually thanks to Eastern European immigrants) relatively recently, they still have a long way to go in reaching the same standard.

 

Try explaining this to a Russian....

EDIT: This site must have a pretty high average user post count. I hardly ever see anyone below 700 posts here :shocked:

 

3317

You're taking an extreme stance taken on a deliberate, careful interpretation.

Maybe we just hang out with different people, and I know this is my third time bringing it up, but I've always seen trolling as a prank. There are shitty pranks (like firing grenade launchers at your fellow soldiers), and there are good pranks, usually accompanied by general laughter and, "Oh, you got me!"'s.

In lots of gaming circles, some people will go out of their way to kill other players in PvP modes with unfavorable weapons/tools, as a means of playful humiliation. Would you consider them to be expressing no empathy for a fellow human being?

Me and a friend convinced his brother that there was some kind of huge twist ending to Destiny, by "accident." He laughed and called us assholes when he beat it. Yet it didn't escalate into us lighting smoke bombs inside his car or something equally stupid.

What about the folks who get together to hijack internet polls? Like the time that Mountain Dew made a poll for people to vote on the name for a new flavor....

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It would be difficult to argue that these kinds of things are done with any kind of selfless intent, but it's also hard to demonize them when the obvious goal is to share a laugh.

I dunno, I just feel like the whole, "post random provocative stuff to make people mad" approach to it has kind of become outdated in wake of it generally being really obvious and transparent these days to anybody with any experience with the internet. We've just probably had different experiences with the idea.

 

3318
Well, seeing as there are different types of trolls, I'd say you're both right. But I don't think I'd classify those types that Bamul is talking about, as proper trolls. IMO, trolling is more on the level that Potarto is talking about. Never the less, there's no real determined answer to what's a troll and what's not.

 

3319

Yeah, you're partially right Potarto. However, when I talked about trolls I wasn't referring to everyday pranks in real life but internet trolling. I agree with Skaara; it all depends on the troll, really. But the reasons behind it are often (though not always) the same: some child - or very socially awkward adult - wants to annoy people through the internet for their own selfish satisfaction, because they could never do such a thing to a stranger in real life without having to swallow their own teeth afterwards. Also, when I was referring to a lack of empathy, I was talking about literally the most extreme cases of trolling. Like I said "minor acts of trolling can be quite humorous and used as a joke between friends". Besides, there is certainly a difference between a harmless joke and trolling, which as far as I'm aware revolves around doing anything to provoke a negative reaction from the person being harassed. Although trolling doesn't always revolve around harassment or insults, you have to admit that most of the time this is what it's like or what it escalates to.

 

3320 i might just add that it makes us look bad when you see a good conversation like in "Off to the military" only to see maybe 2-3 posts of pure asshole, it reflects poorly on the mods and admin just my (checks wallet) $1,50

@Darkbringer It is kinda weird isnt it