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What measure is "not okay"? They come to our countries and demand we follow their rules. What right do they have to do this? Why am I branded intolerant if I tell the motherfucker to respect the rules of the house he stays in? Imagine what would happen if, for example, a Brit came over to Iran and said "Oi, salat is bolocks, stop doing that! You, gal, dress scantily right now, wear this top hat and step on my balls!" I doubt anyone would be okay with that over there, so why should we?

We have the same problem with muslims in Russia, they come over, often illegally, live in ghettos, refuse to work, refuse to comply with local rules and regulations, treat non-muslim people like shit up to outright rape and murder and kill sacrificial animals on the street during celebrations. I guess it takes some really shitty people to run away from their homeland.

Of course there are nice and decent muslim people here too that peacefully coexist with others. Hell, my family is nice muslim people. But treating it as an non-existant issue is just as bad. It's like saying thousands of armed Right Sector goons murdering people are not an issue at all because they don't have many parliament seats. This is a real problem and it needs fixing instead of throwing it under a rug and hoping it would blow over.

 

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Spoken like a person who has never lived in a truly multicultural place... and no, I don't mean living somewhere like Russia, where dozens of other cultures (such as the Tatars) have been Russified throughout centuries, where россияне have lived alongside русские for centuries in a melting pot society. I mean a country like Britain, which has been an almost exclusively "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" society until literally just a few decades ago - when people of similar or entirely different skin colour, those speaking other dialects of English or tongues that are entirely different, have started gradually flowing in from all across the world to become many significant minorities in England, let alone the rest of the United Kingdom. Migrants are not the problem. It's those horrendous cockheads from ISIL, as well as the decades of American and Russian intervention in the Middle East that bred them, which is the problem. And those who want to kick Muslims out of their countries are those who share the most in common with the Islamic State.

Your post is exactly the kind of dangerous generalisation that leads to people accepting prejudice, discrimination and potentially genocide. The fact is that most people who migrate from the Middle East are usually quite similar to the average European in how they want to live - they are leaving behind or fleeing a society that is not good for them. I personally haven't met any Muslim who came here and started bossing around in regards to what they believe British society should be like, but I'm not going to use that as an argument because it's weak, as I know for a fact that there are some Muslims like that. However, they are a tiny minority when compared to the rest of the migrants from the Middle East. Ask any other person living in Britain who interacts with various Muslims from abroad on a daily basis and they will say the same. The only people you see demonstrating for an ethnically pure Britain are idiots who have never gotten past their xenophobic attitudes to actually acquaint themselves with a Muslim or have used one or two bad experiences they had with Muslims to boost their prejudice and assume that every other Muslim they come across has to be the same. These scum from the EDL and their likes, they are a true minority. Most British folk hold them in contempt. The fact that this Pegida UK march had only 400 supporters and about 2000 who opposed them, in Newcastle - which the right-wingers view as a fairly neutral area with potential to become a stronghold of the British far right - should be enough to showcase that.

And don't say that this hate between the two groups is due to cultural differences, one group not being able to adjust to another, Asians coming to Europe and not being able to adjust, or some other crap like that. I'm white, I have European ancestry, both of the languages I use on a daily basis are European, I don't believe in a deity but I hail from a country with a very strong Christian heritage. Yet I've been verbally harassed, pushed around, beaten and spat on by white British Europeans who are from the same wider sphere of Christian culture. Sure, I've never integrated completely and Poland is a very different place - it is in that other part of Europe, but it's really hard to tell that I am foreign until I open my mouth as opposed to coloured people who are much easier to pick out. Despite of this, many fools were racist towards me. And I still think that, in general, most Britons are exceptionally kind and polite people. Thanks to that attitude, I have not become prejudiced towards the rest of British society and living here is quite pleasant compared to what it could be if I had let those few racist idiots get to me.

If you feel that all or most migrants aren't willing to adjust and feel as though they are telling you and your compatriots how to live your lives, then perhaps it is you who should change your attitude. Because, yes, it will take some adjusting for you to make this work... but it is almost nothing compared to what many of these people have to go through to stay in a more economically stable country. Adjusting to Britain, which is a European country like Poland, was a horrible experience for my younger self so I can't imagine how hard it must be for someone who is coming from another continent. So you will have to do a bit of adjusting as well. That's the only way to make this work, unless you want to round them up, put them in camps and then gas them...

Yes, although the Holocaust-reference part is an exaggeration, this sums up the attitude that many Poles have towards homosexuals. Many, but not all - it is a stereotype. Despite of what our politicians tell us, Poland has plenty in common with Russia. It's a similar Slavic shithole and I still love it the idiot that I am, even though I was once without a home of my own when living there.

EDIT: Sorry if I have offended, that was not my intent. I tried my hardest to express my views without losing my temper (it is a topic close to home, obviously).

 

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So basically we both say that radicals are the problem while the normal people are cool. I still insists that it needs fixing regardless of how small it is though.

A person being a douche is a douche, regardless of race/religion.

 

That's not how I interpreted your post - to me it sounded like something that could have very well been said at that Pegida demo and it's quite evident you are targeting migrants... "They come to our countries and demand we follow their rules", "they come over, often illegally, live in ghettos, refuse to work, refuse to comply with local rules and regulations", and such. And if you truly believe that such behaviour is widespread among migrants... well, if you have never lived outside of Russia, I doubt you'll understand but people do not travel such long distances and adjust to your way of life just to risk getting kicked out for stupid shit like that.

If you feel that religious fanaticism and racist attitudes on both migrant side and (especially) local side are something to tackle, then great - I agree, but I can't help feeling that is not exactly what you had in my mind with your post.

 

Didn't mean to generalize here.

We have 200+ nationalities living in peace, for the most part. In that post I referred to the Caucasians (People of Caucasus mountains, not race) coming over and starting shit which really stands out like a sore thumb. If they had to leave their homeland to keep their way of life, i.e. act like criminals basically, that means they are really crappy people.

 

Ok, I understand, though it still sounds to me as though you are under the impression that most people from the Caucas region act like that. Perhaps I'm wrong though, but your first post on this topic really came to me as a surprise.

EDIT: And I'm assuming you're referring to the Caucasian individuals who move to Russia proper (the traditional ethnic Russian part), as in the wider historical context it is Russian colonialism that came to the Caucasus in the first place.

 

Stereotypes have a reason to exist, but it doesn't just go full planet of hats

The guys who call themselves Nohcha, both imigrants and not.

 

Then I'm glad it doesn't.

Chechens? The amount of hate for them in Russian society is immense, often mutual on their side. But I'm not going to assume that everyone is like that.

 

We were killing each other ten years ago, it doesn't just go away in an instant.

 

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Of course, but it's not like every person who identifies as a Russian was up against every person who identifies as a Chechen. It is easier to understand those who may have experienced an ethnic conflict firsthand (e.g. my grandfather, whose childhood was quite fucked up by the Nazi occupation, became fairly prejudiced towards Germans for the rest of his life - it is easier to relate to and understand that than the prejudices of some far right scum who can't get past the fact that someone looks different), though of course that attitude solves nothing and it is still not right.

I always thought that the attitude that cosmonaut Mirosław Hermaszewski (the only Pole to fly to the cosmos) had towards Ukrainians was admirable. His family was butchered during the ethnic cleansing of Poles committed by Ukrainian nationalists in Volhynia and he barely escaped with his life, yet he never became hateful towards Ukrainians as a people and thinks that it isn't right for us to blame the Ukrainian nation for what happened. He also mentioned the Ukrainians who helped Polish families during that time. However, people who played no part in such horrific scenes should all the more remain neutral otherwise they're just giving in to the propaganda that fuels a war effort.

Aye, but you won't fool me!

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I'd like to write something in response, to all of this; but, right now, I don't have much time on my hands to think of something. I have homework that needs to be done and I also have to get my gear, ready, to be able to leave, tomorrow. I'll brew up something while I'm just there, doing nothing, while camping.

Hope to be back in a few days, starting tomorrow. If not, then you can say you knew someone, who was eaten, by a bear, or a mountain lion. Your choice.

Edit: Oh yeah. I ran out of gas, on Friday, while driving to go get gas (petrol) . I was headed to school, but then I decided to fill up since the gauge had been on "empty" for a few days. I was a little more than 1/8 of a mile (about 1/5 of a Km) away, from the nearest gas station, before the vehicle died. once it did, I let it coast the rest of the way, hoping I would, at least, make it, but then it stalled at the entrance of the station (there was a small incline). I got out and began pushing it, but I wasn't able to make it over the little hill, on my own; so some guy -with an Australian accent and a cup of coffee in his hand- came to the rescue. Oh yeah, and I was thinking about screaming,Yabadabadoo, like in the Polish military video, but I withheld.

 

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That's great, haha!
Had a big meeting with work (Toyota) today. Before the meeting, I washed my old white Toyota Carina thoroughly so it would look extra neat when I'd park outside the meeting. Two of the youngsters have each their brand spanking sparkling new styled white Toyota GT-86. They arrived first, and when I came rolling in, the result didn't meet up to the expectations :sad:

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Hmm, that sucks; but if the people who held the meeting (Toyota) had something against you for the year and model, of your car, then that's not right. If it were me (me being Toyota) I wouldn't have paid much attention to the youngsters who puled in with brand new GT-86. To me, that seems like the youngsters are stuck-up (posers/spoiled) and just try to impress simply by the latest gadgets that they own. (me being Toyota) I would have more trust in you, Skaara, because I see that you are able to maintain, an older vehicle - unlike the other guys, who's rich Mafia dad, buys them a car, every year, and they end up wrecking by the end of the year; so they end up having to buy another one. IDK, I'm sure you left a good impression. It's not what one owns, material wise, that matters. It's about the willingness, knowledge, passion, and integrity, that one has, for whatever they do, that matters. I imagine the youngster dudes are the kind that, would walk in, chewing -like a cow- on a wad of gum and have to be combing their hair -every 30 seconds.
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And I'm back from camping (from my three day trip). We made it to the destination near a small waterfall. First things first, we set up shelter. I then went up, into the mountains, to chop some firewood, for about an hour, so that we could make a fire to cook our food. I came back down to our campsite, and saw that one of my two friends, had left ( he had gone back to his car and went to go make a phone call, at a town, 30 min drive away). My friend's car had the majority of our equipment inside of it (food, water, etc). Luckily, I had taken down my sleeping bag, matches, fire starter, lighter, emergency fire starter, flint and steel, lantern, axe, hatchet, shovel, and extra cloths. My friend didn't return, so I went looking for him, while there was still daylight (around 5:30) to see if he had driven off the side of the road ( I didn't see anything). Night came real soon, and it had already been quite a lonnnng time since, our friend, had left. I put all the firewood in my tent, to keep it dry, got inside sleeping bag (my other friend did the same, in his tent) and we waited. I hadn't eaten that entire day, but, I have this really freaky metabolism where I can go, for a couple of days, without feeling hungry, at all (so I was fine). It began to snow/hail/rain; but, surprisingly, it wasn't that cold. We were going to head out, the next morning, to the town and ask for assistance to search for our friend (it would take us more than half a day to walk to the town). About six hours later, our friend arrived, but, with a forest ranger. He dropped him off and told us to stay warm and then left. I then started a fire while my friend told us what happened.

He said he was driving and took a wrong turn. Ended up getting lost and spun out of control when he hit this rock that fell, from the side of the mountain, during a small rock slide due to all the rain. Anyway, he walked for about 12 miles until he saw another vehicle. He hitchhiked to this other town where he was handed over to a sheriff, who then handed him over to some other guy. My friend said he called his cousin to come get us. He showed up two hours later after my friend arrived and we packed everything up and left sad. First, though, we went back to the wreckage. His car was totaled. Airbags deployed, front/rear bumper ruined, passenger windshield broken, etc. That's about it. That was the first time, both of my friends, had ever gone camping :laugh:. All of this wouldn't have happened if he never went to go make a call or if I went with him and gave him the correct directions, or if I had taken my land cruiser (which would have easily driven over the rock without hitting it).

I only took one picture of the fire, and even then, it's not convincing that I even went camping:

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Here's a picture of how my boots look like, right now:

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I'll ask my friend to see if he could send me pictures, of his car, to show you how the wreckage looked.
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That doesn't sound like a very successful camping trip at all.. but hey, at least it wasn't uneventful and you have a story to tell. :lol:

 

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Lol, yeah. We hadn't even been gone for an entire day.

 

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Oh well, better luck next time. I honestly can't remember when was the last time I properly went camping... must have been over 9 years ago back when I lived in Poland. It's a shame, I'd love to go sometime, but most of my friends aren't really into that sort of thing and going alone may be interesting from a survivalist point of view but it wouldn't be as fun. hwell:

In other news, I tried a hazelnut flavoured vodka today. No, I don't mean a nalewka like Soplica orzech laskowy (which is bloody nice, but really sweet as well as its a nalewka), but Dębowa Polska Orzech - a flavoured vodka distilled from cereal grain and extracts of walnut. It's not delicious as I've had nicer stuff, but still tastes good and it's certainly very unique. I only got a 50 ml bottle of it along with a bunch of other taster mini-bottles of Polish spirits as gifts from family who have just returned from a holiday there (can't put anything larger than 100 ml on the plane, and you can only have a maximum of 1 litre per person in these 100 ml containers). It'd be nice to find a larger bottle of the stuff next time I go to Poland, because I think I may have found a new favourite. But I haven't really had enough of it to judge, so for now I'll just note it down as something recommended but nothing amazing.

 

Someday......

Aww man. And that's the one I had guessed . JK, I would have never come close to guessing that name.

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As I was reading your post, I thought at first that you were serious as I may have mentioned the Soplica nalewkas on the forum earlier. Today I tried Chopin vodka (the rye variant though, since the most well-known type is potato) and dayumn... it's so smooth, tastes amazing for a clear vodka! I also wanted to try Extra Żytnia, Żubrówka Biała, Wyborowa and Soplica Szlachetna Wódka (all clear vodkas distilled from rye, I belive) side-by-side for comparison. So I poured myself a shot of each (and one of Chopin at the end), but I couldn't really tell much difference between those four and only Chopin stood out. The other four are ok, just normal grain vodkas - probably a bit better than Absolwent, much better than Smirnoff and perhaps on par with русский стандарт.