[Debate Thread] Can a child be born evil?

Explain, please. To me it sounds like the only way to make a difference in your job is by working at a coal mine, yet I'm sure that's not what you were trying to say. So explain, please.

 

Sorry, haven't been on the forum for a few days. The Crusades were basically a defensive war against an expanding Muslim empire. As far as Muslim wars go, well, it's as much a part of their culture as their religion now, though I guess it is heavily influenced by the religion.

 

People that have make no Real gain in the economy apart from moving a Paper from Box A into Box B.
Now, things like Assistants and what not are needed to transfer the money from a Physical object into a Currency. But their is so much Crap inbetween now that it becomes more costly than the final product

 

Far out, this thread has really gone off-topic. But it's good!

Bureaucracy is definitely a curse. Of course, a certain amount is needed, just to get people paid, keep stuff organised, make purchases for companies, etc. Deeds and trade contracts are fine, they've been around for centuries, near millenia! But nowadays it's just stupid how much there is. We sign multiple documents every time we do something. And in all of this paperwork, responsibility for any problems is lost, money is severely wasted, and nothing gets done!

Apparently in Singapore they keep bureaucracy to a minimum, and that's why it's become so successful so quickly.


Btw, good comedy about bureaucracy: "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime Minister".

 

Haha, yea those shows are great 'Von

But Bureaucracy is killing us, No wonder why the western world is broke, apparently people are 'spose to work 37.5 hours a week, and people normally get paid ~16nzd an hour over here
Now, theirs no way in Hell you can make your company any money per hour (as with your wages you have ACC, Tax and the company has to make something)

Its just insane...
Im in no way a Skilled worker, myself if I went from highschool (2nd to last year) into industry, I wouldnt want to get paid anything more than 10nzd and hour, I dont think I would accept it Morally because I know the company I work for is probably stressed with their own loans. But Because some crack head hippy Bureaucratic asshole who was in government wants people to get paid horrendously high ammounts says the Companys have to pay everyone a 13.50 Min Wage
Now, no one (these days) wants to work for min Wage, so they want at least +15/h!
So, lets look at it, 15/h to worker + ACC + Tax = appox ~+25nzd per hour, per worker. Now, is there a physical way that that one person can make enough money doing nothing but shifting a paper to one side of his desk? No, I dont think so.

The way company's work is though the boss telling the workers to work, they make money, These Office staff improve Efficentcy of the workers, Now theirs a trend to have more paper shufflers than workers, witch makes no sense in the economy

Now, I think I lost my point somewhere in their...

 

i think i lost mine around the third line of what you wrote...lulz!

 

I have to agree with you about this, too. The minimum wage increases constantly, so everyone gets raises, no matter how well they work. Companies have to go through an entire legal battle just to fire a lousy worker, and the inflation keeps going up. I reckon they should drop minimum wage back to $10, have government subsidies on the essentials (some foods), and start lowering the dole ("Work and income Benefit"). People will be encouraged to work, and taxes will lower a little due to less wasted many.

Now we just need a government which doesn't spend money on useless projects, stops taking pointless surveys, builds up the military, and starts becoming independent from the other countries around the world.

Btw, this is all NZ, so you guys are probably like "Whaaaat?"

 

Haha yea, the Dole is Horrible, about 4/5th's of my year group probably arnt gonna get a job

Hell, some year 10 students dont even know the difference of a Centimeter and a Millimeter. We're stuffed...

But in My eyes, people should be paid what their work is worth, Military should get more funding so we can have local industry's started up for Military Automotive/Engineering/Textiles that would form into Mixed Civil/Military industry's, as Military industry's always have work.

The only country we should ever be part dependent on is Aussie, 'cause their like our next door neighbor (Not that I like Aussies or anything )

I think people on the Dole should be re-positioned into basic industry's and labor intensive industry's. Making Money for the economy, and it will get the fat on their ass burned off!

 

Bloody terrible. They should definitely cut down the dole, forcing people to find a job. The government will have a whole lot more money to help new industries start up, creating these jobs.

Ah, so simple, but it'll never happen... Another irritating thing: "injured" people who "can't" work. Seriously, take away the dole and see how injured they really are! :evil:

 

Haha, their not Injured enough to not drive down to KFC and get a Feed for their 'Cussie bro's xD

Now, I know so many people who had Major Spinal Surgery, leg Black and should get Amputated and other major things that should force them into a less Labor intensive industry. But they cant back off working long hours, and full week's because theres no one to work in Labor intensive industry's atm
And those that do, have to have time off all the time :/
Grrrr

But Seriously, in the School's wood class, a Student was told to cut a 10mm line, thought that was like 5.5cm's , like wtf?
that would be ok if you were like 5, but these are kids like 14 years old...

 

Just be happy that you're one of the smart ones. Yeah, education here is going downhill like an avalanche. In ten years this country will be full of barbarians who can't spell, can't measure, and can't think. ...Wait a minute, I think we're there already.

 

Haha, so True
Yea, but its so sad to see how our country is going
*Sigh*

Time to move out into a Forest 'Von and start a New, New Zealand!

 

dunno, well my opinion is the following:
No, no child is born evil, every newborn is pure with no evil being part of him/her. They become evil when they do bad things on purpose knowing what they have done and not repenting for them.
This is ma answer hope it helped

 

Ha ha, don't ask!

Agreed. Evil takes conscious agreement (so, the difference between murder and manslaughter is that one is evil because the person willfully killed, while the other was more accidental).

 

Damn you, spambot. Either way, I thought of something:
Doesn't a baby have the brain to think a little while before it's born? Perhaps, if it decides to kick its twin on purpose (Cause the mother is having twins). And the baby is evil after its born, biting people and stuff, and when it becomes a grown up person, he/she is still evil then too? Wouldn't that make him/her born evil? Just a theory

 

^ That actually made me realize that you are alive before you are born. Never thought of that before.

 

Which is why I'm against abortion.

Babies don't think like that before the age of two, I think, because they're innocent. They're still experiencing life, still learning what anger and selfishness is. All they know is that they love their mother (and some others, but especially their mother), that they're hungry, and that everything around them is amazing.

 

Abortion is a topic for an entireeeely different thread my friend. Maybe later

Related: I too, think humans are born innocent.

 

Tough but good question. There's no such thing as perfect human. We are deeply flawed creatures. Both good and evil dwell within us all. So yes, in a way, we are born evil. And because history shows that our evil deeds outweigh the good, I will be taking a page from Nietzsche's book because I couldn't possibly have worded it better than him: "The Earth has a skin and that skin has diseases, one of its diseases is called man."