Syria

It doesn't matter what you (or even I for that matter) do or don't agree with. What matters is what's true.

 

Da, and as ive noticed, in NewZealand, is that when we go from a National Party Goverment, to a Labour party Government is that progress is halted while the new party fucks around with what the old party planned to achieve. Noting why in Russia the Terms are now 6 years long, so one party can achieve more. Now, this is all true.

 

yeah that sounds bad. But in the usa everyone has to aprove of something so that does not happen. For the most part

 

Wait what? Everyone has to approve of something? So absolutely nothing gets passed without a 100% Approval? im pretty dammed sure thats not how it works mate. Noting America's supplying of the IRA, Muslim Extremists during the Soviet-Afghan war, Supplying the Muslims during the Serb/Muslim conflicts. The Deployment of National guard in the Middle east etc... im pretty dammed sure none of this ever had the Majority rule in the Public. The Main deciding factor is the Congress.

 

And your answer to that outdated political system is enforcing another outdated political system where one man pulls all the strings. Marvelous.

 

Half the public 2/3 the sneate plus congress. But for war the public is not needed.

 

"Pulls all the strings"
So instead of having officials that can be bribed pulling a few strings each is better than having one man pull all of the strings, the Puppet metaphor can be extended though thinking about this. If you have one man with experience pulling all the strings, you will have a good, but slow Puppet show, while if you have allot of people all pulling one string each, some will want one show, some would like another, making a big fuckup.

Now, this isnt a discussion about Political systems, but Syria. I am in support of Assad, as said before, he is Smart! He is not a puppet for another country and he dose not want to hurt his own people, noting the Syrian Military's reaction to the Terrorists

 

I do not subscribe to your americanized black & white way of thinking. This world is more complicated than that. A dictatorship is merely another upholder of the status quo in which ideas remain unchallenged and the very existence of progress is annihilated.

When the puppet master fucks up, the show is over.

 

Saying that ANY dictator, president or leading politician in any country doesn't want to hurt their people is really pretty damn stupid. All governments are prepared to make you squeal in order to stay in power. That's their purpose. It always has been. To rule over others. You can sugarcoat it all you like, but that won't make it any less true. It will only soften that punch and let you keep living in your bubble.

 

Wait, did you just call my thinking 'Americanized'? I am in no Way American! I am Highly offended by your statement.

Look at Cuba, with Castro, when the Puppet Goverment was overthrown the country did go back in time a bit as everyone else Evolved, this did not mean Progress is Annihilated, but it just means that progress is more Self Sustainable (Noting The DPRK, and how its level of technology is as well).

And Idea's do go challenged, thats why Assad is open to Diplomacy from the Terrorists, but from what I know, no Group has come forward with Any form of Request, and America's Constant asking for Assad to step down is pure Idiocy! it would just turn to Country into Chaos.

And again, this is about Syria, not about Governmental Leader systems

 

The country's with dictators are more or less better off having Dictators, Look at Libya, we had Tribes united, then BAM! Their goes our Dictator and the country falls into Chaos, if the DPRK suddenly lost their Leader, then the country would fall into chaos.

And may I also just note here,
"According to the 2012 constitution, the president is elected by Syrian citizens in a direct election."

So Assad is not a Dictator, And he dose not have full power over the country.

 

I wasn't saying anything about Syria or Assad. I was only saying how naive one must be to believe that a member of the ruling class wants the "good of his people". Any country, anywhere.

 

Both topics are closely related. Expanding the discussion is healthy.

Let me start by saying this:
"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist."
~ Salman Rushdie

Now. What does an americanized way of thinking have to do with you not being American? It applies to anyone who is morally and intellectually ill-equipped to fathom the realities of the world outside of their own that they feel the need to think in extremes.

Are you being stupid on purpose? You have just confirmed my point. A dictatorship aims for uniformity and obedience, it ends up with an oppressed populace and has no back-up plan for when it falls. The dictatorship is the immediate cause for chaos and rebellion. How can you not see this? Or worse yet - How can you deny this?

 

Not true. The overemnt of thq loves up

 

There is one system I would immediately shift over to and that's Jacque Fresco's Venus Project. Where science, technology & nature are the only things that truly matter.

 

this is true, thats why we commonly see 'Dictatorships' in country's that are not 'Modern', as it works, it allows People that normally would be fighting each other in small clans based on Religion or idea's be united. now the Problem is when Political systems class, and when one trys to down the other (if their was no American or other Intervention in Syria, the Terrorists would of been squashed)

All thats happening when a 'Legitimate Dictator' goes down is that a worse one will take his place.

Now, this is true, but when one Group gets to the point of Bombing the other group, this is when Freedom of Expression turns into violent action, Now, im all for Freedom of Expression, but only to a point, and that point is well before Taking up arms to the people that oppose it. And this seams to happen allot in the Middle east, this is where a 'Controlling Dictatorship' 'Oppresses' people, now, is a little oppression of Freedom of speech worth it when it will stop violence, I think so

 

They are not united, they cower in fear of their tyrant's wrath. Guess what follows? Rebellion & chaos.

Like I said, progress is annihilated.

It doesn't stop violence. It postpones and propagates it. If weren't a cynic ("Scratch any cynic and you will find a disappointed idealist"), it would grieve me to meet such a person who has everything so backwards and is so convinced of his own rectitude that reason and logic simply don't register. Sadly, I've gotten used to seeing this type of behavior countless times before. The majority of the people think that way; they are void of intellect, blinded by their convictions and lack wisdom & proper insight. They don't seem to grasp the simple order of 'action' (oppression) and 'reaction' (violence). And until they do, the status quo will be kept. Idiocy will prevail and, in the long run, civilisation will be destroyed - on a side note, the latter is perhaps for the best.

 

Wait, so your saying if I go upto someone in the street and start saying what they belive in is wrong, and what they know is wrong, and I abuse their lifestyle is less violent than just keeping my mouth shut, or being told by a Police Officer to shut up?

It is, because the Original Leader has been Thrown down, if the People Really do Dislike their leader, a revolution will happen without as much bloodshead as what we have been seeing.

With Progress being Annihilated, it is the Progress under the Leaders rule in the country, wether it be Uniting Religons, Uniting People, Regions, building Infrastructural Development etc...

What Tyrants wrath? These 'Tyrants' Keep the Peace in many situations!