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Vegetarians?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bamul, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Bamul

    Bamul S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    Guys, I assure you, if governments didn't cripple our societies as they have been doing for hundreds of years - we would have been managing fine. After all, it's not the genes that make a person. That's only part of the whole deal. The environment and what we experience in life makes us into what we are. Genes are only a starting point; a blank canvas, if you like, and everything else that is painted on it is done so through experiencing life itself.

    It's not just about our numbers - it's also about how we live. Saying that we should limit the amount of children born just so WE can continue wasting and killing the planet as we have is really a self-defeating argument.
     
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    Well, if you had to feed only 1 billion mouths , i'm sure that the environment would be influenced that much...
     
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    Of course, but denying people's rights to reproduce in order to create children is not the way I'd go about it. However, I admit that it would get the job done - it's just definitely not a method I would use to achieve such a goal, as it stands against many things that I'd be willing to die for.

    Also, what I meant by a self-defeating argument was that it seems like you guys want to reduce the number of people living on the planet, just so yous can live the way you want to without worrying about being a part of something that has such a negative impact on our planet.
     
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    I don't find a primitive way of life that interesting, actually. I mean, sure, a week of "live-in-a-remote-forest-and-survive" would be good fun, but then I'll start missing all these lovely inventions.
    EDIT: On the other hand, living in a more eco-friendly way wouldn't bother me at all. But we would need to get the other 7 billion people on this planet to do the same, for it to have an effect.
     
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    well to live a more sustainable life we don't have to go all the way back to hunter-gatherers society stone age style. If we can fix the energy crisis, produce more environmentally friendly thingies (like biodegradable plastic etc), better cars and so on we'll be pretty fine.
     
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    Agreed, I totally agree with these points.
     
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    Who cares about the rights of those who will never be born?

    Also, to maintain a low impact on the planet wwith the billions that we are now, we really would have to live at a stone-age level.
    If we reduced the number of people, we could have no impact on the Earth and also not waste our amazing inventions and technological progress.
     
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    I think the cause for almost everything is the Plastic Industry, and other Chemical based Industrys as they just allow for everything to be done cheaply, Without much of a work force, and are Environmentally horrible!
     
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    The fact is that poorer nations have as only means to get into the market the demographic explosion. If we abolished capitalism there would be no such need for a couple to have 14 sons.
     
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    Who cares about rights for people to decide for themselves how many children they want?
     
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    You completely missed the point of what I wrote, as Darkbringer nicely pointed out. ;) It's not about taking away the rights of those who will never be born (that's a completely different topic which I'd rather not get into right now), but denying the rights for people to decide when they want to reproduce. That's what I find wrong.

    Anyway, I think we've strayed too far from the original idea of the thread. Now let's all get :focus:
     
  12. TheStalker

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    I have a best freind who is vegatarian. I used to have an old vegan friend. But you couldnt even mention meat or he would insult you and slander his meat eating dad. But the straw that broke thw camel's back was that he called my relgion stupid cuase we kill a goat. But my other vegan friend rocks.
     
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    OT: so if somebody wants to have 10 children,should he be able to do so?
     
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    Well, if the man after taking everything into account (Money, acceptable future for the kids, etc.) wants to have 10 children, then he should be able to do so. But I am a liberal, so don't mind me :p
     
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    I'd have to agree with Darkbringer on that one; freedom is something that everyone should have, even if they are unwise enough to give birth to ten children and not being able to feed them.

    I know that this is off the subject, but I just feel like I have to share this with the world. We've been watching a movie about obesity. This new guy in our class goes "If people are overweight, it's their own damn fault. They're literally asking to be mocked. They deserve to be mocked when they eat so much. If they're hungry, why don't they just go and buy a yoghurt instead of going to McDonalds?", and he kept on and on and on like this. ......How unbelievable can humanity get? -_-"
     
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    It'd be easier to respond to if you let us know your own views about that.
    Of course overweight people shouldn't be mocked. No one should be mocked or bullied. If that is your point, then i fully agree with you.
    However I still think people are largely responsible for their own obesity. Of course, eating disorders and social heritage matters as well.
     
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    I do indeed mean that they shouldn't be mocked or bullied, yes.
    And I totally agree with you. They are pretty responsible for their own overweight, but it's not like they're purposely getting fat and purposely asking to be mocked and bullied. Although they are responsible for their own weight, it's still not easy for them to go down in weight. It's not that simple for them to simply "just go and buy a yoghurt instead of going to McDonalds".
    It's just.... this guy in my class. From the impressions I've gotten from him, including this little scene, makes me believe that he is the worst person that I have met in my entire life. (Although it's quite possible that he's not).
    Sorry, let's get back to the subject now :p
     
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    You don't understand! They should not be able to do so, since impacting the environment with 10 sons and their consumes is absurd!
     
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    I know it's still off topic but it is actually very easy to lose weight but most people lack the motivation. I have a friend who weighed 21 stone at the age of 16. He exercised it all off in two years by running on the tread mill for 30 minutes each day without even changing his diet and he now weighs like 12st.
    I also read about a man that lost a stupid amount of weight just by eating baked beans and wholemeal bread for a year.

    I'm lucky though because I can eat as much as I want and not put weight on. Combination of exercise and very high metabolism.
     
  20. dahksinol

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    Uh, no. Sorry rolf, but that's stupid. China has a restriction on family size, and I don't see them improving. Not one bit.