What is happening with Russia and Ukraine now?

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No, I'm not mad.

That's a poor reason. I was in fact going to write something similar to how Potarto did, but it doesn't matter because now I see that you still hold a grudge against residence of the United States whether or not they "understand how the world runs." Just to let you know I don't hold a grudge against any country, even if they hate our guts.

I love my country. Is that a crime?

In being wasteful? yes, I agree with you on that -we can be pigs. Other than that, you make your life what you want it to be over here. You want to live life as a hobo? Go right ahead, nobody's stopping you. You want to live comfortably? Go right ahead. Ever thought of becoming a gangster? Still, nobody is going to stop you. Just as long as you don't create any trouble, you won't bothered by the authorities.

Potarto replied to this pretty well, so I don't have very much to say. I live in a city which neighbors one of Mexico's cities. We are so close together that if you stand at a high enough ground, you would not be able to tell where the U.S. ends and Mexico begins. Anyway, while I was going to school, there were a lot of students who would cross over the border, everyday, into the U.S. to attend school over here. Every morning, after the tardy bell would ring, the Star-spangled Banner would begin playing in through the intercom. Naturally, the majority of the class, those who were U.S. citizens, would get up and go through the anthem and the Pledge -if you wanted to sing it, you could, but there were not any penalties if you didn't. Some students from Mexico would get up out of respect, which I admire them for doing so, and other's would just continue talking with their friends and making noises. I wish they would have at least shut there mouths for the minute and a half, but they never would. It was even worse when the teacher would be texting on his or her cell-phone.

I've crossed into Mexico several times in my life, a few of them for events held over there. When they have the Mexican anthem, I still stand up out of respect, even though I'm not a citizen there or know the lyrics to the song.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say -and I'm not targeting you Komodo or anyone else here on the forum, it's just a general statement- is that one should have respect for another country and their flag. There are people that piss over another countries flag simply because they don't like the people from there. The only reason one should dispose of another countrys' flag is when they invade your country or you go to war with them (and you're a soldier); and there are ways to dispose of a flag correctly -enemy or not. People don't need to piss and crap all over them.

 

...and?

Yes, it kinda is, when it provides direct/indirect political and moral support to the agenda that it's been put in practice by the US for the last 70 years.

So being a gangster is not "creating trouble"? ...M'kay.

I don't see why national anthems should be played in schools(they are not barracks....), before sport matches (if not international) or anywhere that does not include a direct relation with foreigners, really.

 

Korea and Vietnam are the only things I can think of.

:laugh: It just depends how hard-core of a gangster you become.

It's a way to pay our respects and honor those who have sacrificed their life or way of life due to fighting in wars so that we may live ours' the way we do. It only take about a minute and a half to do so, and I didn't mind. Besides, after high school, you hardly hear the anthem being played around anymore.

 

It'll be my pleasure to remind you of the others:

Zaire, Angola, Mozambico, Rhodesia, Somalia, Ethiopia, Zanzibar,and pretty much all the african countries after their independence , particularly those with a strong history of military coups; Israel-Palestina, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jourdan, Cambodia, Laos, Taiwan, Thailand, Afghanistan, Spain, Portugal. Let alone South- and Central America: pretty much all of those countries have been influenced by the USA in some time for their recent history, but i'll still name some. Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Ecuador, Colombia, Bolivia, Haiti.
And of course all those states with limited sovereignty in Europe: Italy, Iceland, Denmark, France, and others.

I absolutely disagree with this jingoism, but if anything the discussion ends here.

 

I've got to say, America taking part in all these african countries and stuff was because of the cold war. They were proxy wars and the ussr were doing it as well, probably in the same countries. China was doing it as well. That was what happened in the cold war. The British did it but not as much. You could call the suez canal war conflict thing a cold war conflict. And Somalia, that was the Americans trying to fix an unfixable country off the back of a UN peace mission

 

Thanks Putin! German stocks pummeled.

They blame RF again?

 

Komo its going to be like the cold war everything the RF do is bad to the west and everything yanks or Eu do is bad to the east

 

So i guess i guess it's justified to support dictators around the world, causing tens of millions of death and a similar number of refugees, yes?

And before the Somali civil war, the local dictator was supported by.....guess who? Yay! The US!

 

No, I'm just saying that that was the done thing in the cold war and America cannot be vilified for it solely as the USSR, China and most of western europe did it at some point or another. Also, Somalia has been in some state of uprising or civil war since Britain and Italy left it. America cannot be blamed for Somalia's predicament

 

Another person can like a certain type of music than you, but you don't talk absolute sh*t and directly negatively saying "it's bad". That is completely disrespectful and distasteful. But even though you shouldn't be disrespectful, you're allowed to not show any respect for it. Of course you're allowed to say that you don't like it, because you don't, but there's no need to piss on it.
Just like that, it is the same way with a country's lifestyle, or their flag; you don't have to piss and sh*t on it, but neither do you have to stand up in respect when the national anthem is heard, and you don't have to praise the flag.

All these conflicts and arguing about who did what and who to blame and who didn't do this and that, only leads to them doing this and that even more. If there's one thing I blame, and one thing alone, for all these world-conflicts happening.... it is the boarders. I blame the boarders, and the fact that people can't refrain from being disrespectful, and that others can't refrain from demanding respect.

 

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Surprising article: Fresh evidence of how the West lured Ukraine into its orbit

People have been pointing these things out time and again, but nobody is paying attention.

 

I don't get it. If I've understood it correctly, this started with Russia giving the Krim (or however you spell it) island to Ukraine, and now they want to take it back, and this leads further to Russians hating Ukrainians, and Ukrainians wanting Russians out of their country which is diminishing and slowly being turned into a Russian country (I've heard from a Ukrainian person I know, that in Ukraine there are almost no subtitles in movies. Not in English, or Russian, or any other language, because the Ukrainian language is dying out, and the government wants to keep it for as long as possible, and not lose it completely).

And with that said, how has the west wanting to pull Ukraine into NATO, been provocating, and ultimately been the thing that started this?

 

Modern Ukraine did not technically exist until Russian Empire pieced it together. Crimea was gifted as a gesture of good will by USSR.

Spoiler

Expansion of NATO is an existential threat to RF. NATO countries can field anti-missile systems against RF ICBMs, among other things. This means that eventually RF will not be able to use its weapons for deterrence and can be pressured into submission/can be attacked with impunity.

So it's only natural when RF acts concerned when one of the few remaining allied states suddenly has a revolution that removes a friendly government and replaces it with pro-western one.

 

Because no one posted it yet:
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Valid points.

 

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So there are still maidan protesters, but it seems that are just people that fight for throwing rocks.
Reminds me of these guys that still want to make party after all the other people already left.

 

It's the same video as the previous post though.