What is happening with Russia and Ukraine now?

I actually didn't want to post in here anymore to state my opinion but I just can't resist.

That CNN fail proves my opinion about most big western media news:

They aren't making propaganda, they are just bad.

Just look at the german Bild zeitung, the British Daily Mail, Fox news (Rupert Murdoch etc. ) and CNN, they aren't making propaganda because 'bama or anybody else is paying them, they are just moneywhoring bitches! Oh people are getting slaughtered in Donetsk? We don't care cause some celebritie kissed another girl!!!!! They aren't doing any real research themselves, they just copy and paste something together, since who cares anyway!:rant:


There is something really wrong with western media, but it's not propaganda...


This isn't directed at anybody here, just vented a bit.

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I can promise you that most people here hate our media just as much.

 

Oi, thanks for sharing. I see your point, but that's not the case.

Firstly, there are thousands of people that die on the planet in dozens of conflicts and not only you might not be interested in them, you might not even be aware of them in the first place. Ukraine is just one of those. Why are you not questioning that Boko Haram atrocities are going underreported? Why is Palestine and Israel are not getting much screen time? What about India and Pakistan? Maybe China and Taiwan relations? These conflicts might not be as important to you, and so is Ukraine to a bunch of people. Not everyone is interested in politics, blood and gore. Media has to cover what the people are interested in, or their viewers will simply change the channel.

Secondly, all media is biased. Right now it's in the Eastern media's best interests to show as much raw footage, do as much coverage and tell as much actual truth as possible since that actually advances their cause, while it is in the Western media's best interests to avoid the topic as any kind of undoctored information will raise quite a few eyebrows back at home.

You can't exactly get public support for sending weapons to pro-U.S. soldiers fighting for freedom against the evil Federation if you show them doing pitchfork and torches nazi marches while chanting ethnic cleansing bullshit, now can you?

 

That's not entirely true. I agree with the rest of your post, however I've seen plenty of lies and manipulation from the Russian media on this topic as well. Just as Western tabloids are presenting everyone east of Dnipropetrovsk as terrorists, the Russian media are doing just as much to present those west of Donetsk as fascists or their sympathisers (whilst in reality there are ordinary people who want an end to this conflict on both sides, there are fascists who are adding wood to the fire on both sides, and the Ukrainian government is terrorising the population of its country just as much if not more than DNR and LNR). The West and Russia will distort the actual picture, but both can also show the truth when the situation suits their political agendas.

Initially with the miners' strikes I was hopeful, and I still am to a degree, though it's disappointing that nationalist currents seem to be getting more involved in solidarity movements with the miners than the leftists. I guess that's just another example of how weak the left is in my country. However, now that large numbers of farmers have been protesting in Warsaw since Wednesday and are still blocking some of the main roads with hundreds of tractors, I'm losing hope. A leader of the Ogólnopolskie Porozumienie Związków Zawodowych Rolników i Organizacji Rolniczych said (after failing to achieve anything in negotiation with the Minister of Agriculture) that "This government will know peasant strength. We will contact the miners, who are already preparing an invasion. The government of traitors must go". Sound somewhat familiar? Of course, I can sympathise with some of their slogans, such as those that call for more government intervention in the milk and pork industries, to ban GMOs in Poland and to make purchasing of Polish land harder for capitalists from other EU countries (which at the moment is set to become even easier by 2016), but the character of these protests doesn't seem very progressive at all. Perhaps this will just de-escalate, but for now I'll be keeping an eye on the news regarding this.

 

That's why I said it's in Eastern media's best interest to tell the truth, not that they actually tell truth and only truth. Likewise there are some interesting articles in the Western media actually covering the events in a somewhat adequate manner, like the one that outright says "The government is lying, it's not 5k, it's actually 50k dead".

Bingo!

Yup. That's what you get when you are more interested in brown nosing your boss than your people. I assume that Europe got a shot of vaccine against overthrowing governments after witnessing the Ukraine coup, so lets hope people will actually consider not doing that.

PS Bamul, what's up with POLSKI LWOW lately?

 

Recently I found out that rail workers, nurses and midwives are also planning to strike. Moreover, the Polish media are doing plenty to demonise those striking, so perhaps there is some hope for that movement after all. I'm definitely gonna have to be careful about where I read up on this stuff though.

What do you mean? Are you referring to the Poles claiming that Lviv is Polish? If so, that's not really lately (unless there's been a sudden outburst of it in the interwebz). Like many Russian nationalists who believe that Crimea and half of Eastern Europe belongs to Russia because they were once territories under Russian state control/territories with a Russian majority, some Polish nationalists have always been saying that Lwów (Львів/Lviv), Grodno (Гродна/Hrodna), Wilno (Vilnius), etc. belong to Poland because they once were Polish or used to have a Polish majority. You gotta remember that Poland, although never really an empire, used to have some pretty aggressive expansionist tendencies and was arguably at various points in history the Russian Empire's main competitor in terms of land control in Eastern Europe. Heck, I'm sure a minority of extreme Polish nationalists would be crazy enough to wish a return even to these borders.

 

I'm aware of some Polish territorial claims, just saw a surge of stuff like this lately. Something must have happened to spark this. Well, other than the conflict itself.

 

Nope. At least I doubt it. These "patriotic" brands of clothes have become quite popular in Poland in the last few years. I don't remember seeing any of this stuff when I left the country, but whenever I visit now it's all over the place. This ties in with what I said at some point in the thread about that silly little game Hatred, how leaders of the far-right organisations tend to have businesses on the side and connections to fund their political campaigns.

 

That explains it, thanks Bamul.

 

No problem, sorry for derailing the thread again.

 

Luhansk right now:

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I'm not sure what is more infuriating: the footage in the video or the profile that posted it.

 

Right sector will ignore the ceasefire. Dmytro Yarosh, Right sector leader, says that Minsk agreement that was signed yesterday is anti-constitutional and therefore they are not obligated to conform to the ceasefire in any way. It is scheduled to begin on the 15th of February, at midnight.

 

Washington is furious that the Ukrainian delegation brought fake photos as proof of the Russian invasion.

"Oh no, we didn't bother to check our sources or the proof said sources have provided, and it could potentially start an all out war in Europe. But no hard feelings, right? Happens to the best of us."

Sounds familiar?

Spoiler

 

Masked people burning tires and fighting with civilians that try to take the masks off of them in front of the Ukrainian parliament in Kiev:

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Oleh Lyashko, leader of the Radical Party of Ukraine, says on live talk show that his sister he grew up with took up arms and fights on the rebel side in Luhansk.

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Semenchenko, Ukrainian Donbas batallion commander, agrees with what Right Sector leader Yarosh said earlier, and refuses to conform to ceasefire:

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Jen Psaki, a spokesperson for the United States Department of State, said on the yesterday's press briefing that Yanukovich left the country on his own accord. This contradicts with what Obama said earlier ("Yanukovych fled after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine") and it also contradicts the entire freaking coup that this thread detailed quite extensively.

Video of the meeting can be found here (The quote is from the ~44:00 mark).

Text transcript of the meeting can be found here.

 

My god, the insolence...

 

Of the reporters, of the spokesperson or someone else from previous posts?